Talk:St Mark's Eve

Requested move 12 December 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was not moved (as to each). This is a single close of multiple related contemporaneous moves requests by one nominator – in no particular order, of:
 * Talk:Cross of St. George;
 * Talk:Order of St. Gregory the Great;
 * Talk:St Joseph's Day;
 * Talk:St Mark's Eve;
 * Talk:St. Martin's Day;
 * Talk:St. Andrew's Day;
 * Talk:Order of St. George; and
 * Talk:Fort St. Angelo.
 * The nomination text is near identical as to each ("To recover/relief/remove from/the abbrevation") and opaque to the extent that we can only infer that abbreviations in article titles are considered poor or improper for unspecified reasons and without a policy- or guideline-based rationale. Each has been opposed on the basis that there is no overarching prohibition or preference in our naming conventions against the use of abbreviations and that the common names policy does not support the move—that the use of St/St. as to each title is more common in a preponderance of reliable English language sources, than is Saint spelled out. Since that was only supported by assertion and by reference to a web search (as opposed to a search that tends to concentrate reliable sources, such as of books), I have done a spot check and it is borne out by quite a significant margin, e.g., this versus this. The chief ground for supports was to avoid contests/edit wars over whether or not to affix a period to the abbreviation, i.e, St versus St. We generally do not choose titles based on the possibility of edit wars but rather based on what title is proper, on the merits, under our naming conventions. If any user wishes to take on a requested move on that issue, that can be done separately – though they should probably read all subsections of Manual of Style first. Finally, I note that though one contributor was found to be a sockpuppet and his or her !vote was struck where it appeared, the sockpuppet charge as to the nominator was returned unsubstantiated, and does not figure in this close.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:24, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

St Mark's Eve → Saint Mark's Eve – To replace the abbrevation. Chicbyaccident (talk) 17:26, 12 December 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The result of this discussion may be impacted by the sockpuppet investigation of the proposer, and should await its outcome. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 07:09, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support fully the replacement of abbreviations by clear informative full names. Peco Wikau (talk) 22:07, 17 December 2015 (UTC). BLOCKED SOCKPUPPET
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. The overwhelming majority of sources use "St." Also, please note that I started a sock puppet investigation of the proposer, the anon IP above, and Peco Wikau; both the IP and that account appear to be socks of Chicbyaccident. Rockypedia (talk) 23:21, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support avoiding the contested abbreviation in these cases. Srnec (talk) 13:35, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Google says 11,400 vs 828. Alsee (talk) 16:42, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.