Talk:St Olave's Grammar School

Headmaster Suspension
On 19/10/17 it was stated that due to an investigation by the Local Authority (Bromley), the Headmaster Mr Onac was to be suspended. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41683012

Please add this to the page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TomSmithy56 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Added citation. Paul W (talk) 20:54, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

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The school's original site was under what is now London Bridge Station and moved to Tooley Street sometime in the 19th century, does any one know exactly when and the name of the original site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.212.3 (talk) 18:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

See 'Carrington' - the answers are the first site was in the vestry hall of the 'new' churchyard close to where the junction of Joiner Street - Duke Street Hill now is from 1571. The second site was on Bermondsey Street north of Crucifix Lane, this part is a tunnel under the railway station, from 1835 (James Field). The third site is that at Tooley Street / Potters Fields from 1855 (Henry Stock). In 1892 this building was replaced, in situ, by the present building (Edward Mountford) Grade II Listed exterior and some interiors. 79.75.50.148 (talk) 10:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC) Tony S

Ummmm, Hugh Broadbend is not the School chaplain anymore. Conveniently, I've forgotten the name of the new chaplain. Im a student at St Olaves btw

The current Chaplain is Andrew McClellan. JJE (talk) 11:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Notable alumni
I'd minded to rid of the dates here. If people want to find out when somebody lived, they only have to click on a hyperlink to follow the relevant bio. See, for example, the entry on Haberdashers' Aske's Hatcham CollegeAstral Highway (talk) 11:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Title/Name
The title of this article should really be "St Olave's and St Saviour's Grammar School", which is to my knowledge still the official name of the school. Does anyone object to renaming it? --Pavlos Andronikos (talk) 13:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Category:Old Olavians renaming
At present there is a discussion relating to the renaming of this category. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at this discussion page. Please note that the discussion is not a majority vote so contributions should be based on Wikipedia policies and independent sources. Cjc13 (talk) 13:39, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2017
change chair of governors from "The Revd Professor Peter Galloway" to "vacant" 81.151.88.66 (talk) 15:34, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 15:58, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Parking a reference
The story seems to be developing. ClemRutter (talk) 20:29, 12 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Indeed it does, this is bizarre and obviously wrong.


 * In the meantime, could someone deal with "The revelation has revealed" in the lede, please? That is obviously wrong too. MPS1992 (talk) 21:36, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I have made an attempt MPS1992.SovalValtos (talk) 22:13, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

"Highly" selective
There are two problems with the use of this word in the lead sentence; I also am unclear why this aspect of the school is so important that it needs to be the very first thing mentioned about the school, even before its location. If their selection process is notable there is plenty of space lower in the article to fully expand and explain it in a factual manner.
 * It is supported by two cites that neither use the word "Highly", nor mention St Olave's Grammar School. They therefore verify nothing on this article and shouldn't be there.
 * It is an opinion. As far as the reader can tell, someone, who knows who, has looked at the school's selection process and decided that it is "highly" selective.  Unless it is the opinion of an authority on the subject, and cited appropriately, it is a worthless opinion.

-- Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:58, 30 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Agreed. There is a further mention of highly selective in the third paragraph of the lede. If this assessment can be supported by a verifiable source, this might be an appropriate place to mention it (and then expand in a later section), but, in my view, not in the opening sentence (there is also another issue relating to "boys' secondary school" in that sentence - the school has admitted girls to its sixth form since 1998, as is mentioned, eventually, under "General information".) Paul W (talk) 19:32, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree it shouldn't be in the lead and summed up like that – it would better be summed up in prose in the main body of the article with info about how the selection process works. – filelakeshoe (t / c) &#xF0F6;  20:09, 30 October 2017 (UTC)


 * OK. I've removed the "highly" from the lead sentence.  It's mentioned and explained better later in the lead.  Also removed the cites that verified nothing said in the article. Happy to hear any further comment.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 21:17, 5 November 2017 (UTC)


 * As you have suggested I bringing over the existing discussions from mu talk page


 * I am sorry but your solution just doesn't work. By removing the ugly word 'highly' we are reducing information in the article, in the lede and in the first sentence of the lead. Paragraph 3 uses the word 'highly' in an entirely different context- as an explanation of L6/U6 transition, while the lede needs to explain that this is a super-selective. Before family duties dragged me away, I started to look at writing a simple stub on this- but in brief, found the term is used differently now than it was in the 1990s. Then (Olaves and Newstead Woods) were the only two of a type of school, now that is still true in Bromley but it is used in Kent, to describe any Grammar school where the entry procedure involves passing the Kent test (pass mark 320 out of 420) then additional requirements. This can be a second exam, or a higher pass mark on the test (Tonbridge- 415 out of 410)..
 * in the meantime so we retain accuracy I can change the lede to super selective as a holding position. ClemRutter (talk) 10:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand your position ClemRutter, but if you want this information to be in the article, and prominently so, you really need to source it. Is there a source that identifies the school in this way?  If you don't have a source then it can't be in the article.  Researching the meaning of the word in this context, and Kent's admissions criteria is all very well, but it's all original research until you have a source that directly uses it in relationship to St Olave's.  All this applies to "super selective" in exactly the same way.  And that's even before we get to a discussion about why it is so significant it has to right there in the lead sentence. -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 17:57, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I have, for now, created a section on Admissions (sub-divided into initial entry and 6th form), and collated content from the lead and main body into that section. This at least eradicates the mentioned conflation of two separate issues from the lead's 3rd para. Paul W (talk) 18:14, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

The Judd School
While working on the WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines I looked for a FA school that could be used as an example. there is one- the The Judd School which is similar in its history, ethos and selection procedures. Both are worth looking at. If text is added it important to wikilink all the technical terms particular ones that are UK specific. --ClemRutter (talk) 20:36, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Grade II listed
The school buildings have been listed at Grade II by Historic England. Kelly  hi! 22:15, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Bromley Enquiry
Parking a reference.
 * Pupils treated like collateral damage


 * Parents rebuke Ofsted for failing to inspect St Olave's pupil welfare

"led by educationalist Christine Whatford"- she has a CBE, and been involved with a UTC but how does that make her an educationalist? (what ever that may be?) Christine Whatford could help to explain.ClemRutter (talk) 21:24, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

School song
What is the source for the school song being Jerusalem? It is certainly a better song than Olaf to Right the Wrong, but as far as I'm aware the latter is still the official school song. Tim (Xevious) (talk) 12:29, 24 April 2023 (UTC)