Talk:St Peters Lutheran College

Capitalisation?
Should "christian" in the introduction to the article be capitalised or not? :O Sp0kk 07:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably. I'll put one in, and if an english teacher checks and its wrong, they can edit it out. ANG7 07:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Haha, god help us if the english teachers start correcting our wikipedia articles.

Photos
Hi everyone, due to the school removing the images that were in breach of copyright law, the article has become dreary. It would be greatly appreciated if students or those associated with the college could upload personal photos. In other words, do not copy images from anywhere else to put on the article. If you took it yourself, feel free to upload it and place it into the article.

And more warnings,

Cheers Campbell 01:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * As I have noted in the talk area below, I have added photos of Ironbark. I don't have any of the school itself though :( I agree with you; the article is very boring without photos. Perhaps someone could contact the school and ask permission to add photos to Wikipedia for illustrative purposes? Sp0kk 03:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I must also concur, I'm gonna try and get some pictures of the buildings one day, possibly tomorrow Shad3z 03:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Kept my promise = P Added a few diff photos, and to anyone with a better knowledge of wiki, please feel free to rearrange them :) Shad3z 09:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Ironbark Pictures
I have added pictures from my own collection to the Ironbark section (edit: these are pictures of the burnt Ironbark, and the smoke coming from it), however the formatting is terrible. Someone please fix this up for me, I am not very good at such things. Thankyou :) Sp0kk 13:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Draicone :) You da man! Sp0kk 15:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

yeah lol that would be funny Tubey 08:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC) ʎ

Its time to stop
Ok people, we've had our fun and now is the time that we need to start respecting the article. This site is meant to be used to inform the public about particular things in our world. The first question that comes to mind is: Do we really need this article posted? Personally I think not. Ever since this article was created, it has caused nothing but conflict. This may be because several people have taken to vandalising the site. Although it was funny maybe the first time, but now it is starting to become offensive and needs to stop. There is a line between a few jokes and harrasment and I think some people are coming close to crossing that line.

So I ask all of you, please keep this article clean from now on. It has become out of control when it should not have happened in the first place. Either we leave the article as it is or we get rid of the article entirely. Benprouty 11:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Wheres the fun without vandalism ;) It always gets reverted by the ever-vigilant Draicone anyway. *tips hat to Draicone* Sp0kk 13:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Where's the fun without vandalism? Honestly, if vandalism was stopped, people like Draicone would have the time to do other things, like improving articles. Things which I personally feel are more worth their time and intellect. --nkayesmith 03:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I might point out that I'm currently taking care of AID maintenance, disambiguation link repair, AfD checking, RfA vote checking, BDC template creation, wikification, article cleanup and all the rest. Vandal fighting is an occasional thing for me now, but the SPLC article and related articles are on my watchlist so I'll be reverting vandalism on them if I see it, and warning/reporting on sight. Stopping vandalism wouldn't exactly put me out of business, but the point is that the only way to stop vandalism is to restrict editing. And we aren't about to do that any time soon. --Draicone (talk) 03:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I seriously didn't mean it like that, just that those points that you mention are more important for the development of the encyclopaedia than the creation and reversion of vandalism (which is essentially not progress, only maintaining the standard of articles - which I don't mean to insinuate isn't important), and the less vandalism there is, the more time you can spend on those things. --nkayesmith 11:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Well written article
A very well written article indeed. It has captured the spirit of SPLC. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.206.109.19 (talk • contribs).


 * after many of the recent changes, it seems like the article is just a copy paste job from the school's site .. not exactly Non-point of view .. ive reworded the sports section, but some of the stuff just seems like its advertising the school

It is quite a good article if i do say so myself
Great article i know it captures my school spirit and go the 3rds —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.77.219 (talk • contribs).

really great...really great —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.69.174.14 (talk • contribs).

It would be even better if ppl STOP VANDALIZING. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.206.98.194 (talk • contribs).

SPLC ROX!!!!!
I like it,

If only they could spell indooroopilly correctly.

Go the Chorale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Labby24 (talk • contribs).
 * That's not really apropriate for the talk page. Lightman2 (talk) 22:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Creation
Who created this section??? I could say he/she knew SPLC and Wikipedia pretty well to start off although the spelling was quite shocking in some areas. I corrected the "Indooroopilly" and "separate" section. Just hope the page won't get VANDALISED!! Last time I saw the Heads of College section saying Mr. Rudolph had forty children. Crazy!! What if he viewed the page then. Gosh!
 * I've added this page to my watchlist. If anyone vandalises it, I'll know and I won't be happy :) Oh, and please remember to sign your comments with four tildes like this: ~ . --Draicone (talk) 12:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

who wrote this!!!
OMG WHOS WROTE THIS!!!!!! Our school colors are Moroon and white not red and white!!!!! SBOE- O^o~O (Zen) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SBOEy (talk • contribs). PS it's a really good artical, my congrats to the author
 * SBOE, this is Wikipedia. Anyone can edit, and while this article is quite good, it lacks sources to confirm the information in the article. I may go through the whole article and correct any incorrect info, being a current/former student. --Draicone (talk) 07:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * oh Shut-up S.K. find another place t stick your two bits into!!!
 * and stop bieng a "i'm so special so I'm going to fix this up" and the rest of the 'hoy-ti toy-ti' stuff. that soounded funny. are you going through every artical I contibute to? *shiffty eyes* YU CAN'T PROVE I DID IT!!!!! *looks inocent*
 * Bye^_~
 * SBOE-y O^o~O —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SBOEy (talk • contribs).
 * As a Wikipedian, I must stress to you how important it is to assume good faith, respect others and not make personal attacks upon other editors. Doing so can have you blocked from editing, but since you're new we'll ignore this for now. And your every contribution is logged, so we can prove you did it :D. Oh yes, you're still not signing your comments. Remember the four tildes! ~ --Draicone (talk) 09:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Grammer
I love it how this page highlights things in a most biased manor whilst putting the english department to shame. Still I fixed a sentance or 2 but I should point out that is no longer the school's logo.

Also, it's also a dead giveaway that the person who wrote this page is in chorale (year 11 judging by a member of my ITS class). I have nothing against chorale but I will find it interested when the school re-write this page wheather or not the information remains. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DavidSFN (talk • contribs).


 * The article is not significantly biased, and any obvious bias can be corrected. In addition, as a student you should be aware that the school logo shown is in fact current spare a minor graphical improvement present in the recently introduced portals. --Draicone (talk) 07:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Can I just say I know all the year 11 Choralian's personally and I don't think any of them wrote this. The article isn't biased towards chorale ... when they start putting in that we need a Performing Arts Centre, then you know bias is coming in ...203.134.13.194 01:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

ironbark
what is

"... and innocent yet unsupervised inter-gender interaction at night"

about?

inter-gender interaction between students or staff? (or student AND staff? ><)

this might need clarification, if not be omitted altogether. i mean seriously, is it worthy of mention in an article about an outdoor education program?
 * Look, I added it because it was the most mature way of saying what really happened. Boys rushed off to the girls dorm in the middle of the night, and vice versa. The problem was that there weren't any staff to supervise, hence the 'yet unsupervised', and when they got to each other's dorms they had no idea what to do, hence the 'innocent'. Feel free to remove it, that's what wikipedia is all about. --Draicone (talk) 11:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What about the ib fires that I got evacuated from :P I really cbf adding anything at the moment, but I feel they should be included. Just a thought.Sp0kk 12:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * K I added a short spiel about the fires. Someone please add more :D Sp0kk 12:55, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Much Respect Granted
As I really couldn't be bothered to seek out this person at school and give them my respect I'll do it here. Its pure gold.

The first ever Year 9 group experienced Ironbark's first ever real fire evacuation
not quite true, there were year nine groups before ironbark was converted to a year 9 only program
 * I think what Sp0kk meant that the first ever year 9 group, not the first ever group when the program was year 9 only but back when it was year 9+10, were the aforementioned group. Sp0kk hasn't actually said that there weren't year 9 groups before it was a year 9 only program; in fact, he hasn't mentioned anything about the year 9 only aspect at all. --Draicone (talk) 09:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * perhaps, but i am pretty surethe first ever group of yr 9s (when ironbark went year 9 only) was the first group to experience the fires - it was after i had been, and they had to stay the night in crows nest town hall or somewhat —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.240.145.146 (talk • contribs) 05:34, 10 August 2006.


 * I was there dude :P It was the first EVER when the previous groups that year were yr 10s. Sp0kk 12:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * yes, the fire was in 2004? that means there were PREVIOUS YEAR NINE GROUPS (there were always 2 year nine classes (9P and 9S) and 6 year 10 (A-F) classes that went each year), and hence your group was not the "first ever year 9 group". 60.240.145.146 05:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The current wording is fine by me, and I do not wish to continue this argument. Sp0kk 15:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * sorry sp0kk, it wasnt meant to be an arguement just making sure on some things :)

Last time i checked, i went to ironbark in grade 10, not 9. changed.

music program - POV dispute
The neutrality of this section is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page.

why is it disputed? i added a citation needed tag to "The St Peters Chorale is claimed to be one of Australia's best non-professional youth choirs", but other than that line i see no reason for a POV ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.240.145.146 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 10 August 2006.


 * Here's why:


 * St Peters values the musical talents of its students


 * It would be impossible to support that claim, since it is subjective.


 * and has extensive facilities in place to cater for the needs of the 2000+ student body


 * Again, this is subjective. Cite the number of students, sure, but you'll do better describing the facilities rather than lauding them.


 * Graduates of St Peters now fill leading positions in Australian and overseas orchestras


 * That statement is too sweeping. Cite examples rather than trying to make it sound impressive. Inline citations would really help as well. -Harmil 06:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It is disputed because I am disputing it. One citation is never enough, and encyclopaedia articles cannot be biased. For example, even if it is true (which it most likely is), you cannot say, "Linux operating systems are the most powerful desktop OSes in the world," as it seems undoubtedly biased. In the same way does the music section of this article. --Draicone (talk) 21:02, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Draicone on this - the section is full of loaded phrases. At the least they need to be reworded into something like it is reported that xxxxx' with an appropriate reference. My preference is to edit the section with an axe but I'd prefer to see where consensus leads us first. - Peripitus (Talk) 00:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I feel that the entire article is written from a biased point of view, like saying that the school (though probably true) has '...fully-featured boarding houses...', and '...a dramatic addition of facilities...'. Are such adjectives needed like dramatic and fully-featured? The boarding houses would most likely not be in use were they not fully-featured. Sp0kk 03:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Nope, and further the article is starting to accumulate trivia that is not of interest to the broader community. The impact of a fire on scheduled hiking, for example. We really need to focus this article on the encyclopedic elements and strip some of the fluff. -Harmil 13:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Look, the only people that are going to bother changing this, indeed, that know anything to change it to, are Chorale people. The fact they appreciate it only proves the wonder of the music program. And frankly, who's going to bother reading this? SPLC students who understand the bias, and, as said at the top of the page, the canadians, who know us THROUGH THE WONDERFUL CHORALE!203.134.13.194 01:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Which is why I advocate deleting this article. I'm sorry, 202.134.13.194, but an article must be NPOV, if only for the canadians to see all sides of the school. Since when did we judge a school by it's choir? But I'll let Draicone, who has more barnstars :), excercise his better judgement, add sources and cleanup. --nkayesmith 20:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

A thought. An article such as this, for a school, by school students, will never be entirely NPOV. It's going to reflect what the students or the school (if it keeps cracking down) feels are the most important. I was looking at some other school articles to see how they did theirs. One had half the article about their 9 houses. Obviously houses were important to them. Another had a whole section on boarding, which we gloss over. Obviously, from the views expressed on this page, the Chorale is very important to some of the students. The other areas of the school do not seem to inspire that sort of spirit. I certainly can't see anybody writing about the history of our 9 houses. The chorale's prominence on the Wikipedia article merely reflects its prominence within those elements of the student body who can be bothered to do anything about Wikipedia. If the worry is it seems out of proportion to the rest, then maybe we shouldn't be cutting the chorale article, but writing more about the rest, like the orchestra should probably get at least a paragraph, like Symphonic Winds. Just a thought.ANG7 00:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Articles about such schools should not be written by the students. However, that is usually impractical and therefore many school articles (such as this one) are biased. Acastus69 09:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Copyright laws
The images breaking copyright laws on this page have been deleted please do not restore them, thankyou. "Unauthorised production in whole or in part of the information on this website including without limitation, photographs, is an infringement of copyright. Except as permitted under the Copyright Act 1968 (Cth), no part of this website may be reproduced by any process, electronic or otherwise, without the specific written permission of the Copyright Owner. Neither may all or part of the information contained within this website, including without limitation, photographs, be stored electronically in any form whatsoever without written permission of the copyright owner." copyright act followed by the website which the photos were taken off.
 * A sysop has, on my request, tagged these images as copyright violations. If you would like them to be deleted quicker, please contact the wikimedia foundation. --Draicone (talk) 20:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * In the zeal for removing images, the logo (shield) was removed from the main infobox. This image is correctly tagged and sourced as a logo. Logos are legitimate fair use for Wikipedia, and are used extensively. Further, please cite Wikipedia policy when removing images, not laws. Unless you are a lawer with specific knowledge of the impact of Florida state law (where Wikipedia is hosted), U.S. copyright law, and international copyright law, trying to assert the legality or illegality of any usage is probably a minefield you don't want to step in. Instead, we have distilled the impact of these laws into site policy which can be viewed at WP:COPY. Thank you, and happy editing! -Harmil 16:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The only people who are going to bother editing the Chorale part, in deed, the only people who will know anything about it to edit it accurately are those within it, and of course they'll be biased. It just proves what a wonderful program it is that they feel compelled to write about it. If you really worry about bias, put that the comments with excessive adjectives were made by Chorale members ...

Co Corricular stuff
I don't have the time to do this properly, nor proper knowledge about many of the cocurricular stuff offered. People who actually do it, add your stuff in. ANG7 07:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Legal issues
Fist of all I would like to say that who ever wrote don't vadalise this page or else the Colloge may persue defensive action or some shit, you are an idiot. The college didnt want the page made in the first place. Also, believe it or not, the college cannot make any real action against someone for changing it. Fist of all as you can post without leaving a name it seems like they would have a lot of trouble finding who it was. If they traced the IP somehow, which i dont believe is legal, they couldnt get the person in trouble anyway because like i said, it wasnt legal. It's a real problem for good old Steve and the rest of the people at the college, people keep expressing themselves and thier opinions. If Steve doesn't police it people may get the crazy idea that they can express themselves freely, and if that idea becomes popular maybe they can make it legal and give it a catchy name, such as "Freedom of Speech". What a crazy world we live in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 149.167.138.40 (talk • contribs).

An interesting sentement. In terms of keeping the site clean, the wonderful and ever vigilant Draicone is quite capable of that *three cheers for Draicone*. In terms of legality, the impression I get is that if we use copyright imagers from the SPLC site, they can pursue us legally. Vandalism ... quite possibly. And Freedom of Speech. Well, if you take freedom seriously, and democracy for that matter, freedom and equality are mutually exclusive (sorry, random philosophical aside) but seriously, do you belive Freedom of Speech truly exists? Think through that for a moment. Think how people would be treated if they started preaching terrorism and blow up america in the middle of an Australian place ... I don't think the government would really worry about freedom of speech ... and if you believe your speech is free, you really should sign your comment. ANG7 05:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, according to the Telecommunications Act, tracing an IP address is one of the most legal things in the world. The school can take legal action for certain things, blatant vandalism like blanking it cannot, but inaccurate and derogatory information like 'Chairman Rudolph' possibly. The only thing standing in the way of the school taking legal action is the fact that servers are hosted in Miami and therefore they must take action according to local law there. And please remember to sign your comments with four tildes, ~, so that people know who wrote the comment (this is auto-magically converted to your username/IP and the current date/time). --Draicone (talk) 05:41, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Off-topic arguing
ppl!!! god, stop dissing chorale, the music program is the only thing the school REALLY has to offer. i mean, do u see the rowing team traveling overseas to perform in europe, america etc as the orchestra and chorale etc do? ppl in CANADA know about us. do ppl in canada know about the cross country team? no (ps no offense to the cross country/ rowing ppl). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Labby24 (talk • contribs).

But on a lighter note, who cares about say corale. No one, thats who. Maybe P.A, but everyone knows hes a goose. Chorale is about as useful as tits on a bull, and those who have been to Ironbark know how useful that is. The thing the school has to offer is propoganda at a high price. Jesus isnt real. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 149.167.138.40 (talk • contribs).

Jesus isn't real? I'm horrified by whoever wrote this article. Either you're a fool who hasn't learnt the term Historical accuracy (besides the bible, Jospehus, a famous jewish historian details records of Jesus, and many other people. There are more books ... nay, simply more "proof" of Jesus existence than there is of your own (unless I misinterpret your identity as a student and you're actually Bush or Howard ... but even then, there's probably more records of Jesus) ... either that, or you've read the chapel I'm planning to deliver fourth term ... but that never said Jesus wasn't real, just that ... wait, don't want to ruin it.  Still, I'm horrified.  And why is Chorale not useful?  You can't make POV statements like that with out back up.  I want a fifteen page (or longer) essay.  Otherwise, a lot of things come to mind that its very useful for ... I can list some if you really want.  Or read this site, it has a few - http://education.qld.gov.au/publication/reporting/parents/2005/issue1_music.html Please think through your comments before you place them. I like to prove people wrong, and will be quite happy to continue doing so if you make such rash claims as Jesus isn't real. ANG7 04:53, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

User who keeps refusing to sign their comments, I know Draicone cleaned up your last comment but I still feel I should reply to it. You said that the bible wasn't going to be unbiased. Had I talked about the bible? I had talked about non-biblical records of Jesus, such as Roman records, and the writings of Josephus, a jewish historian who wasn't a christian (as far as I know). I do hope you're not an atheist. They would be ashamed to count you among their ranks, they pride themselves on actually thinking, not making silly comments about Christians. Doubting Jesus divinity, sure. Doubting his existence? No chance. I think you need an elementary history lesson. Two major things:

1. Q - What did the germans do to the bible in the 19th Century?

A - They totally ripped it apart. They subjected it to Historical Criticism. Like you, they doubted it was true. Unlike you, they tried to disprove it using thought and history. The result? It survived. Sure, some passages are now seen more as stories than taken literally, but as a whole it survived (and ironically, a lot of people who tried to pull it apart became Christian). As a historical document, the bible stands.

2. Q - How do we decide how accurate documents we find are?

A - Two ways, on the number of copies found, and on how soon after the original they date. Let's look at two major documents - the Gospel of Matthew, and the records of the Gaulish War, by Caeser. I think (numbers aren't quite right, but roughly there) there were about 24 copies of Caeser's work recovered, the earliest 1000 years after he wrote it. There were maybe 3000 copies of the gospel of Matthew recovered, the earliest 120 years after he wrote it? Which sounds more accurate? Do you doubt Caeser's existence? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ANG7 (talk • contribs).

He may well have been real but the fact the he made miracles happen is quite unlikely. Chances are he was just the best con artist history has ever seen. I am better then you 08:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

And if he was, 2 billion people get to redefine their life. However, Wikipedia really isn't the place for this sort of a discussion, let alone a questioning of a particular religion. Please refrain from making such comments, not because of the legitimacy of them - I respect your right to an opinion - but because they are irrelevant to the article. --Draicone (talk) 11:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Can everyone promise not to say ppl. Please.
ppl is not a word. Is it that hard to write people. look! I just did it. People. There we go again. I am better then you 07:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Is it STRICTLY necessary?
Is it REALLY necessary to detail to curriculum in the article? I don't think it's relevant, and is only serving to

a) look like a direct copy/paste from the school website

b) create disinterest in the article

c) look like the article is promoting St Peter's, rather than providing unbiased information about it. Likeomg

Possibly not neccesary, though the organisation is (people would want to know how the grades split up). The thing I ask is, should the International Bacclaureate be mentioned? By someone who can spell it correctly ... ANG7 08:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the organization should be mentioned, but i'm going to delete the long and tedious outline of the curriculum. you can throw things at me if it offends anyone's delicate sensibilities. I do think the IB should be mentioned. BRIEFLY.

Move page request: St Peter Lutheran College -> St. Peter Lutheran College
In this article's name, there's no period after the "St". The period means short form, so shouldn't the dot be added? If anyone disagrees, you may put it back if you like, but it makes much more sense with the dot. --Hasek is the best 16:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Regardless of how it's meant to be, every publication has always referred to them as St Peters Lutheran College (including their website).

The name of the College
The correct name of the College is St Peters Lutheran College, there should be no dot after St and no possessive apostrophe in Peters. As a new user I have no idea how to fix this, can someone help Angiebaa 04:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
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Re: Music Groups
In 2019, all non-choir ensembles were restructured, reorganised and renamed. This needs to be reflected in the article. ItsPugle (talk) 12:21, 16 November 2019 (UTC)