Talk:St Rufus Church

And now for someone who knows what they're doing
Skeleton's up, what do you think? I took a stab at the description, mostly based off the POWiS source. The exterior was just beyond me, but I put a suggested outline there, liberally quoting what the various sources say. Aberdeenshire Council and HES share a lot of the same language of the description–I wasn't sure which is better to cite? So, bottom line, it needs the Aberdeenshire Council and HES to be integrated into the interior description, plus turning the whole exterior part into prose (assuming you agree with the organization). I figure I might look online and see if I can find something more for "current usage", and also the lead needs expansion. I haven't looked for photos yet, do you know if any PD are available? And, of course, the whole thing could use review by someone who knows what they're doing and who can figure out what else is needed that I haven't covered here. So, I look forward to your learning from your comments and edits. :-) Cheers! – Levivich 19:23, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This looks brilliant! You're absolutely right about the Aberdeenshire Council and HES refs - they're always very similarly worded, but occasionally have some slight differences - I suspect that either one takes its content from the other or, perhaps more likely, they're both written from the same survey report, but then might get amended separately over time. The POSiS descriptions are always great; I've got the relevant Pevsner guide, and a book about the area by Charles McKean (whom my partner knew slightly before he died - wish I'd started editing sooner, I could have tried to rope him into filling in some of the gaps in our coverage...), so I'll see whether I can add anything to your description from those sources, and I'll flesh out the external stuff. I see you found a picture of it already - looks good. Agree about the current usage - I normally just try to see if there is a church website (found it) and add a note about who the minister is, times of service and the like based on that. It's a primary/dependant source obviously, but for simple factual statements nobody seems to mind. I should have some time to work on it at the weekend - great work so far!  Girth Summit  (blether)  09:49, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I added in some stuff from their official website and ran the archive bot. Have a good weekend! – Levivich 17:11, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Levivich - just a note to say that I am planning to get back onto this soon - I'm afraid the start of term was accompanied by a new head teacher, a timetable shake-up and a bunch of new subjects for me to teach, so it's been a bit like an unexpected freight train between the eyes. Hoping to carve out a bit of time at the weekend to hopefully finish the external description. Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  20:20, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the note, but of course "there is no rush". Anyway, I know how you feel, work's been heating up for me, too, now that summer is over. Thankfully, the church will still be here whenever we get back to it, and so will this draft :-) – Levivich 21:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , hi - sorry for the hiatus! I've finished writing up the external description - what do you reckon, does that all make sense to a lay reader? Girth Summit  (blether)  10:50, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , I think it looks great! And yes, makes sense to the lay reader–even I understood it! My only question is about In the middle of the east gable wide is a shallow porch ... – is that supposed to be wide gable, or wide porch, or is "gable wide" a term of art? – Levivich  16:02, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , oops, good spot - I reworded that sentence several times trying to avoid copyvio, I think the word 'wide' there is a hangover from an earlier version. I'll give it a look over again in the morning with fresh eyes, and then publish it unless there's anything else you want to add/change? Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  21:00, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , nope, no more changes from me. I found a few more pics that I added. I'm not sure if it's too many; feel free to change the layout and captions. FYI two I found that I didn't upload are and ; let me know if you think they should be added. – Levivich  22:33, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , I like the pictures - I think you've selected the right ones (unless we add a section on 'Nearby litter bins'!). I've been through and added some wikilinks to your interior description, which would probably be helpful for a lay reader - I'm going to go ahead and move it into mainspace now. It's been fun working with you this - another listed building ticked off the list! Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  11:40, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ... The litter bin was installed by ACME Janitorial Services in 2011. Great working with you, too! – Levivich  14:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Very good stuff. I have made a light tidy including removing several references to Catholicism which seemed to be in error. Nedrutland (talk) 13:29, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps explain the dedication to St Rufus, the Latin name for Máel Ruba? Nedrutland (talk) 13:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks for that - yes, the Catholicism stuff was a hang-over from some stuff that was copied from another article at the start of the process, I didn't notice that was still in there. I like the suggestion about explaining the name - I'll add that now. Girth Summit  (blether)  13:58, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * +1 Thanks! – Levivich 14:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps a line or two about the predecessor church (thrice described as the "original, medieval church" - presumably copying a source) - where was it / what's on the site now? And Máel Ruba/Rufus; is there a Reliable Source linking him with Keith? Nedrutland (talk) 19:59, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

The organ
This source says "The organ built in 1890 by Nicolson of Malvern". Different page of the same website (same publisher, of course) says "The organ, originally built in 1892 by Ingram, extensively modified in 1926 and restored in 1986 by Nicholson of Malvern, has two manuals and pedals with twenty-two speaking stops." I googled and couldn't find any other sources. Do your books have anything? Do we just remove it altogether from the article? – Levivich 13:52, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm about to leave work - I'll take a look in Pevsner when I get home (after I've walked the dog...) and see whether it can shed any light on this. Both Nicholson and Ingram were active in 1892, so either source could in theory be correct - if we can get a source to support one or other that would be better. Cheers Girth Summit  (blether)  15:38, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Good old Pevsner. "...dominant organ at the W end in a handsome case, the organ of 1890 by Nicholson of Malvern." - I'd go with that, and use it in preference to the other sources given that they're affiliated and obviously don't have the same academic heft. I'll take a look at paraphrasing the stuff about the war memorial now... Girth Summit  (blether)  17:05, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

GA?
Hi - hope you've been having a good holiday season? How are you placed at the moment to go for a GA nom on this article? I just read through it again, and nothing is jumping out at me as needing improvements. I'd be happy to nominate it, but if you want to go through the process then go ahead and I'll watch and contribute to anything the reviewer brings up. Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  15:09, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, holidays have been great so far, hope yours have been, too! I made one slight copyedit to the lead but otherwise I agree with you. Yes, please go ahead and nominate it, and I'm happy to help out. I've only helped with one GA before so I'm happy to take the ride-along seat. Thanks! – Leviv<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 21:42, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , yes, it's been great, thanks. I tweaked your tweak, and have nominated - looking forward to working with you again. Cheers Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  12:51, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Me too! I've added the GA page to my watchlist. Thanks for the tweak and the nom! – Leviv<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 19:09, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Maps




We have three different maps now: (1) the infobox classic location map showing the location of Keith in Moray, Scotland; (2) the newfangled OSM map showing the location of the old and new churches within Keith; and now (3) this old Ordnance Survey map from 1871 (the oldest available), which show the old and new church, along with Old Keith, New Keith, and Fife-Keith, labelled and unlabelled. Thoughts? Leviv<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 03:07, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Interiors
It is beautiful little church with old architecture. I am curious as to how it looks from the inside. If possible please add some pictures of the interior too. Thank you. Venkat TL (talk) 13:03, 5 October 2022 (UTC)