Talk:Stadium of Light

Wayward parenthesis
I edited this orginial text:


 * A sign at one of the Stadium gates by the West Stand reads "INTO THE LIGHT" (the other reads "FOR US ALL"; the same words were found on a famous sign at the exit to the main elevator of the Monkwearmouth Colliery.  The gates (now nicknamed "the Murray gates") have become a bone of contention amongst fans, when they were closed to prevent protests outside the stadium's main offices during 2006 against director Bob Murray.

The parenthesis were mismatched so some fix was needed, but I may have inadvertantly changed the meaning. I took that "INTO THE LIGHT" and "FOR US ALL" were both "found on a famous sign at the exit to the main elevator of the Monkwearmouth Colliery," hence there was no need for the "FOR US ALL" clause to be parenthesized. If I've changed the meaning, please fix it but without reverting to mismatched parens. Thanks, PhilipR 06:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

What map?
"Away fans are usually seated the west side of the South Stand (The area coloured brown on the adjacent map)."

There is no map of the stadium in the article.

Jarrow Stadium of Light? (Monty Python)
A sketch in a 1969 episode of Monty Python's Flying Circus refers to a "Stadium of Light" in Jarrow, home of Jarrow United FC. I assume this is a joke (I'm not a football fan) but it's certainly an earlier use of the term in a Tyne and Wear context, and I'm curious if this played any role in its choice for the 1990s stadium. Pro hib it O ni o ns (T) 23:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Large Scale Plagiarism
This article is either the result of plagiarism from this site: Stadium of Light a 2018 World Cup Venue?, or vice versa. Is there any way to find out which is the original, and is there any need to? --Freedo50 (talk) 15:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, joke
The Monty Python's use of 'Stadium of Light, Jarrow' was indeed a bathetic witticism, drawing together two opposites, the stadium of Benfica, at the time a highly glamorous European club and industrial Jarrow, famous for the march to London of its unemployed miners during the Depression. Jarrow, through this, became a symbol for 20th century English industrial, working class poverty.

88.109.96.19 (talk) 08:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Estádio da Luz
Portuguese SL Benfica's stadium "Estádio da Luz" literally means "Stadium of Light" in english language. It's not a nickname! It's the exactly same name, and i can't see why this article is only about Sunderland's stadium.


 * I believe "Estadio da Luz" is an unofficial name, even though "Stadium of Light" may be an accurate translation (I don't know if Luz means "light" in Portuguese as it does in Spanish, however).


 * The "Luz" in "Estadio da Luz" is actually an area in Lisbon and should therefore not be translated. An English translation would therefore be "Luz Stadium". Andymilli 13:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Backing up Andymilli's point, the fan nickname for Benfica's Luz Stadium is 'The Cathedral'. They do and never have called their stadium, officially or otherwise, as 'Stadium of Light', as in the opposite of darkness. Therefore, SAFC's naming of their post-Roker Park was a gaffe. However, I do believe their secondary reasoning for choosing SoL has something to do with that part of Sunlan's industrial past - a glass factory having been on or near the site(?). Perhaps someone might clarify this. 88.109.96.19 (talk) 08:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The name of the portuguese stadium does not translate as "Stadium of Light". That's absurd. It translates as "Stadium of the Light". So, there is no connection between the two. This reference is only a means for the benfica fans to (once again) inject their club in any subject or conversation or discussion. More of the same, as it was reaching a landmark of 300 000 associates based on long dead associates and non-existing members. Wikipedia should be about reliable information, and not gratuitous marketing for some footbal clubs. MikeLousado 14:24, 19 November 2016 (EST)

Why, when looking for Benficas famous stadium, am I brought to this version. Estádio da Luz literally translates as stadium of light, and has been named this since about 1952. This is a new version, which copied the name.

I really suggest you have some respect for history, and change the ordering on the search so that users are given a choice when they search the name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.128.223.67 (talk) 16:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations!
I just noticed that the article made it to GA class. Thanks to all the contributors, especially Sunderland06.  Enigma msg  20:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehe cheers, and thanks for the copyedit too. :) Sunderland06  (talk) 22:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Question
Not really sure what was going on here. Should that be restored?  Enigma msg  05:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that's fine because the star ranking system was phased out in 2006 as far as I recall. Cheers. Sunderland06  (talk) 20:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Recent moves
Why was this moved without consensus? Estadio da Luz means "Stadium of Luz," not "Stadium of Light." Luz is the area in Portugal in which it is built. The articles amply covered this and even included disambigs up top. This should have been discussed first. Cocytus  [»talk«]  17:18, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. It's out of line to make such a move without even discussing it on the talk first.  Enigma msg  17:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia rules state that articles should be listed by their most used, English names. "Estadio da Luz " most famous English name is Stadium of Light. It is how the stadium is known throughout the world. Articles aren't listed on literal names, or literal translations. They are listed on their best known English name.

Please have a glance at the following articles, on Benfica games, on most of the major news outlets I could find, as well as local news, and football fans forums

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/everton/6408646/Benfica-5-Everton-0-match-report.html

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2009/10/20/benfica-europa-league-trip-will-herald-biggest-everton-exodus-in-25-years-100252-24968178/

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12040_5675445,00.html

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/preview?id=283496

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/preview?id=283496

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=soccer&id=4546235

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A58741455

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/8102821.stm

Every single news outlet refers to the ground as Stadium of light and not "stadium of luz" or "Stadio da luz" The portugese tranlsation is never ever used when not in conjunction with "stadium of light". Read the last article. It even says “Sunderland and Benfica, who both play at grounds named the Stadium of Light, have never met before in any format.

Sunderland isn't even the most famous "stadium of light" let alone the sole owner of the term.

I think it's quite unacceptable that one of the world's most famous stadiums has to be found by accessing a football ground in Sunderland, and clicking on a link. As do I to people trying to claim that Benficas stadium is not world known as "stadium of light".

Asking people to search directly for "the stadium of light" by working out what the portugese translation is, that no one in the English speaking world uses (this is an english speaking web site) is not acceptable in my mind.

Articles should be listed by their most famous English name, for ease of access. I apologise if that infringes on this pages exclusivity to the search topic, but that's not really an issue in my mind.

The rules state that articles are listed by their most used English name. The most used English name for Benficas ground is not "estadio de luz" or "Stadium of luz", it is "stadium of light".

I am happy to discuss this topic of course. All I request is that people actually look at rules, and respect them. Not just stick to the status quo, on the basis that they don't want to share a search with other people.

At the same time, it would probably just be better to report this to Wikipedia and ask them to make a decision on the matter. If that is acceptable with you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjmooney9 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Cjmooney9: please sign your posts. Mr Stephen (talk) 18:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Look at the following example: West Ham United F.C. play at the Boleyn Ground and as such that is the name it is under. However, the ground is always referred to as Upton Park. The official name of the stadium is used, as should be for the Estadio da Luz. Furthermore, the article fore Barcelona's stadium would be Nou Camp and not Camp Nou if your suggestion of most used english name was used. Eddie6705 (talk) 18:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

That is not really my argument. My argument is that when you google "nou camp" or type in "nou camp" the ground comes up directly, no matter that it is actually called "Camp Nou". When you type in "City of Manchester Stadium" the ground comes up, no matter that it's officially called "eastlands".

When you type in "Stadium of Light" you only get the Sunderland ground. Even though not only is the Benfica ground most commonly called "Stadium of light" in English, but it's literal translation is "Stadium of light".

Your argument about it's actual literal translation being "stadium of luz" in English, because luz is the town is completely false, as I will explain below.

The argument I have is why does this stadium have sole ownership of "Stadium of light" when it's not even the most famous "stadium of light" in the world, let along trying to claim it's the only one.

At the minute, when I google stadium of light, the only thing that comes up is this ground. Which is a complete crime in my mind. Bearing in mind many people use wikipedia links via google searches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjmooney9 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Stadium of Luz
The counter argument, in regards to the meaning "luz" is probably the reason for dispute, and misunderstanding as it is almost certainly based on an easily made misconception.

I lived closely to the stadium for a very long time. The neighbourhood/region is actually called Benfica. The club is named after the region of the stadium, not the actualy ground.

There is categorically no such place as Luz. Not in Lisbon certainly. As far as I am aware, not in all of Portugal.

"Luz/Light" refers to "The Lady of the light". This is a religious festival held in Lisbon every August, not a place. It's a big religious feast.

"The lady of the light" is the Virgin Mary. The festival is in celebration of this icon of catholisism.

The "light" in the "stadium of light" is simply in homage to "the lady of the light" festival that happens every year in region of Lisbon. It is categorically nothing to do with a place called "luz". No such place exists.

The original "stadium of (the) light" (built in 1952) was in homage to this festival and theological icon. The stadium is known as both "The stadium of light" and "the light". Both in homage to "The lady of the light" festival and general catholic concept.

The light in "the stadium of light" very much refers to actual biblical light. It's nothing to do with being named after a place.

There are various places in the area that use the word "da uz" and it is all for the exact same reason. The famous resort "Pria da Luz" is nowhere near the Benfica district, and translates as "The beach of the light".

"Luz", or "Light" or "of light" or "of the light" in portugese culture means "touched by god" or "blessed by god" people or things exposed to a "divine presence". Human beings or things "of the light" are people who have communicated with god. God is "the light". The stadium name is completely biblical.

The closest translation to the stadiums meaning is:

A bit long but (that's why they invent these terms!) "The stadium of those in touch with god" or "the stadium that feels god's presence". People "of the light" in portugese culture are people who have found god. Or people who have been found by god. Or people that feel the divine presence. The stadium name refers to a building that is "of god" or "of the light".

This is where my major objection comes from. The claim that Luz in the stadium name does not refer to light. And the obvious fact that both stadium of lights in Sunderland and Benfica use the exact same words, for the exact same reason and meaning.

And hence, when you search for "stadium of light" one ground shouldn't take precendent over the other. As they are both referred to exactly the same words in English. They are both called the same thing, and light actually means light in both instances.

And bearing in mind all articles should be titled by their most popular English name, and not the local translation, I see little argument why the ground is not found when you search for "stadium of light"

I apologise, I should have read the full discussion board before I objected. I had no idea about the probable misconception on "luz".

I assure you, Benfica is named after the neighbourhood/region of the ground. Not the stadium. And the stadium is in reference to the religious festival "lady of the light". And in "of light" they mean "of god".

94'000?
Is this an error- In 2003 the club announced plans to increase the groud capacity to 94'000, however relegation that year put such plans on hold. -Should it say 49,000? Qualicum (talk) 17:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Slogan
what exactly does their slogan, "Ha'way The Lads" mean? This is mentioned in the Structure and Facilities section and is painted on the stands, visible in a photo. for other users who don't understand that particular dialect or English usage, could someone please translate? thanks! Meat Eating Orchid (talk) 22:06, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It is basically a way to encourage the team, this might help clear it up. Sunderland06  (talk) 23:40, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Same same: There's an actual place in Lisbon called Luz
There is categorically A place in Lisbon called "Luz".

"Luz" is Portuguese for "Light". When you translate into English, you're translating a place and not the biblical light. #sigh# So if you're ok into this, then use "Stadium of Light" not "Stadium of the light" or "Stadium of light".

In Portugal we use "Estádio da Luz" with a capital L meaning the place not "Estádio da luz" as "luz" "opposite to darkness". "Estádio da Luz" is also an unofficial name. The official name is "Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Good Hope Phanta (talk • contribs) 14:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Close view of a section of a Map of Lisbon, 1909:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/14lxs18p/1_zpsd15aa288.jpg

Modern map of Lisbon with a close section of Luz:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/14lxs18p/234_zpsf749cdfa.jpg

I can travel back in time, but i'm not in the mood. Only if someone asks lol --Good Hope Phanta (talk) 14:08, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

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Im extremely confused as to why this is a "good article". It has so many reference errors and dead links. I think its status should be demoted. There are far better articles out there that can make use of the nomination. Matthewishere0 (talk)