Talk:Stadsfries dialects

Frisian
According to this study, Stadsfries is not Frisian. Furthermore, there are articles called Frisian languages and West Frisian language. So I suggest to replace Frisian with West Frisian in the article.Sarcelles (talk) 11:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * http://www.wjheeringa.nl/thesis/thesis09.pdf has Stadsfries as being closer to the West Frisian language than to the Dutch language. Sarcelles (talk) 23:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * or.
 * Heeringa (2004), p. 215: "town Frisian dialects may be regarded as an intermediate form of Dutch and Frisian".
 * Anyhow, there's Reliable sources: ".. Articles should rely on secondary sources .. better than a primary research paper. When relying on primary sources, extreme caution is advised." The above is a doctor's thesis (from 2004).
 * --2003:DE:3700:672F:8567:9BE6:1822:E107 (talk) 17:32, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I repeat myself from Talk:Dutch dialects.
 * https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240956524_To_What_Extent_are_Surnames_Words_Comparing_Geographic_Patterns_of_Surname_and_Dialect_Variation_in_the_Netherlands There are two dialect maps of the Netherlands, labelled 4 and 5. 4 has several clusters. Three remote, quite neighbouring clusters are Frisian, Franco-Frisian and Archaic Frisisan (in Hindeloopen, Schiermonnikoog and Terschelling). Franco-Frisian is closer to those clusters than to most other clusters.
 * Clustering in this article includes the following possible categories not mentioned hitherto:
 * Leeuwarden and possibly Sneek can be grouped together. Dokkum, Stavoren, Kollum and possibly Heerenveen can have single varieties.
 * Friesland hosts many of the varieties obtained. They can be divided into
 * Frisian, archaic Frisian (Hindeloopen, Schiermonnikoog and Terschelling island),
 * Friso-Franconian varieties (Frisian cities, Midsland, Ameland island and Het Bildt) and Friso-Saxon (in Stellingwerf and variously also Westerkwartier).
 * Midsland, Ameland island and Het Bildt can be grouped together.
 * Leeuwarden and possibly Sneek can be grouped together. Dokkum, Stavoren, Kollum and possibly Heerenveen can have single varieties.
 * has the following view that
 * Bildts, Midslands, Stadsfries, and Amelands can be grouped with
 * Frisian varieties of Friesland. Sarcelles (talk) 23:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Leeuwarden and possibly Sneek can be grouped together. Dokkum, Stavoren, Kollum and possibly Heerenveen can have single varieties.
 * has the following view that
 * Bildts, Midslands, Stadsfries, and Amelands can be grouped with
 * Frisian varieties of Friesland. Sarcelles (talk) 23:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Frisian varieties of Friesland. Sarcelles (talk) 23:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)