Talk:Stafford Beer

Official Stafford Beer web site
The Official Stafford Beer web site seems to be off line!? -- Mdd (talk) 08:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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Cwrw Press
I'd suggest that the reference to a book of his poems published by "CWRW Press" should probably read "Cwrw Press" - 'Cwrw' is Welsh for 'beer'!

87.83.217.242 (talk) 11:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Purpose of Cybersyn
Was Cybersyn intended to be a "system for distributed decision-making"? I thought it was all about centralising information and oontrol. Earthlyreason (talk) 15:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I think Beer's view would be that the system would distribute decision making in the sense that decisions would be made at the appropriate level. I cannot find you a good quotation from his writing, but the whole thing is seen as being beyond hierarchies Hpengwyn (talk) 20:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

"Its futurist design offered the hope of a more participative and less bureaucratic society."

Thats a little bit misleading, Cybersyn was ultimately just a computer network to collect price information from producers and buyers so the socialist government could have more control over a increasingly centralized economy....... how is that going to translate into a more participative and less bureaucratic society?

Lets not forget this was a socialist regime. Agrofelipe (talk) 22:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually it is not misleading, please rad the material and you will see that this is the case, notwithstanding your comment about a "socialist regime". Whether the hope would/could ever have been achieved, that is an issue we will never know. Leutha (talk) 17:07, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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-- Mdd (talk) 21:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Stafford Beer's correct name
I am concerned that 'Anthony' is used as Stafford Beer's first name on Wikipedia. Indeed he was christened Anthony but he abandoned this name when he was about 16 and he never used it again. I have started seeing articles and references in books referring to Anthony Stafford Beer, clearly taking their lead from Wikipedia. Stafford would not have wanted this I'm sure. I was a close friend of his (and I've published two books on him) so I know what I'm talking about. David Whittaker — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.199.198 (talk) 15:24, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Done with ref about brother. Leutha (talk) 17:22, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

It does seem like Ian David Stafford Beer continued using "Stafford" after their deal, see here. What I am wondering about is that the title page of Autopoeisis and Cognition refers to "Sir Stafford Beer", but his contribution is signed just "Stafford Beer".Terminator 2 really happened (talk) 16:49, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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Trotsky's critique
"Beer also was reported to have read and been influenced by Leon Trotsky's critique of the Soviet bureaucracy." Come on, you can't just leave us hanging like that. Someone add in what this critique was. LastDodo (talk) 15:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)