Talk:Stained glass in Liverpool Cathedral

Some brief comments before GAN

 * Which cathedral? It's not even linked. I'd go so far as to rename the article to make it quite clear - both cathedrals have notable glass.
 * Categorisation seems lacking for Liverpool and its cathedral(s).
 * Whitefriars Glass should be linked. It's a major brand name that's well known amongst glass collectors. James Powell and Sons is linked, but that's a name hardly known in comparison. That article doesn't make the history of the Whitefriars trademark quite as obvious as it might be: Is it exactly homologous to Powell? Has it been used as their trading name more at some times than at others (post-war it certainly has, but was that true beforehand?) Those are questions for that article, not this, but per COMMONNAME, it's Whitefriars that has the instant link-worthy recognition here, not Powell.
 * Lady Chapel and Chapter House could use better explanation as to their linkable articles, their function and their location within the cathedral site. A map would be useful, if anyone can draw one - Liverpool Cathedral is a big place to navigate and is in some ways back-to-front as well.
 * Otherwise thanks for this article and I welcome any expansion here, or on other aspects of the cathedral. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:09, 24 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. I struggled with the opening in both following the "rules" of WP and trying to make sense. I take your point about making it clear that the article refers to the Anglican cathedral.  I did not want a big explanation in the lead (which is intended to to be a summary, anyway), and thought of adding an explanatory footnote, but that seemed to be too much out of the way, so I settled for a hatnote.  I hope that works.
 * I am pretty ignorant about stained glass and its manufacturers. In the (many) church articles I have written I have used Powell's rather than Whitefriars because that is the name mainly used by the authors of the Pevsner Guides.  Looking at what I think is the official website, the names seem to be used synonymously (or alternately).  And in the sections on the Lady Chapel and on the Ambulatory and Chapter House the source uses Powell's (not Whitefriars) on both occasions.
 * Thanks for adding links. I do not feel that explaining the functions of the Lady Chapel and Chapter House would be appropriate in an article about stained glass.  Sorry I do not have the skill to draw a diagram; it's a pity there is no plan on the article on the cathedral itself.  And to try to give an idea of the location of the various parts of the cathedral without a plan would be horribly complicated, especially when the liturgical directions are different from the actual ones.  At least I have been more logical in the article than the major source is; I have started at the liturgical east end and worked towards the west, while in the source they are mixed up, starting with the Central Space!
 * --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:13, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This is a collaborative project and the people at Commons graphics workshop have proven very capable and helpful in the past. If it's possible to acquire even a pencil sketch floorplan, then I'm sure someone there could turn it into something helpful.
 * This isn't an article on lady chapels, but I think it's useful (remembering that many readers will have no familiarity with Anglican worship) to explain that a chapter house isn't an area used for the main functions of worship, and this attitude change can influence aspects like its glazing. The lady chapel at Liverpool is itself interesting (this belongs in the main cathedral article) as I understand it to show something of a compromise between Liverpool's evangelical leanings of the time, vs the high church that was so visible in many other churches of the late Victorian period.

As to Powell / Whitefriars then I have a vague suspicion that Powell was the name used for their stained glass work, and that Whitefriars was their consumer range in later years. Certainly the consumer range (and its devoted collectors of hideous orange banjos) has more name recognition today and for that reason I'd like to see it linked, just to answer the question in reader's minds, "Is this the same Whitefriars who made granny's vase?". Andy Dingley (talk) 15:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Following the development of this article with interest. The hatnote approach is consistent with the usage on both the Liverpool Cathedral and Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral articles (and the talk page for the former has an extended discussion on the "correct" common name, q.v.), so that looks OK to me.
 * I also know very little about glass, but I note that Whitefriars Glass redirects to the main article James Powell and Sons, so your linking would be consistent with that.
 * The progression East to West makes sense. I have not found a suitable floor plan graphic, but have added a link to a simple floor plan (unfortunately a PDF) from the Cathedral website.
 * --Entablature (talk) 16:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I have moved the link to the floor plan to Ext links, whre I think it is more obvious, and added a commonscat link. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:36, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

J. W. Brown
Excellent article but maybe you could be a bit more precise about J. W. Brown as he seems to have been one of the main artists behind the original windows. I believe the person concerned is John William Brown (1842–1928), an interior designer from Newcastle on Tyne. See for example here. He is mentioned in other sources in connection with the stained glass windows in Liverpool Cathedral but unfortunately I cannot access British library sources from Luxembourg.--Ipigott (talk) 16:14, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks to all for your comments. Yes, it is this JWB, and I will prepare a stub (or more) in the next few days. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:59, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The article John William Brown (artist) has been written and linked. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC)