Talk:Stan Getz/Archive 1

Untitled
From the reverts re "Nino Tempo", I see that the elaborate put-on is still being bought. Someone should ask jazz critic Leonard Feather about this. 162.84.72.171 17:04, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Recording list "clutter"
Does anyone else think it would be useful to have some annotation to the discography rather than just a basic list of albums? I made a start to this, noting other musicians on the gigs etc. and have had them reverted as "clutter". Istanbuljohnm 07:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

People just want to see a discography, not opinionated notes. That is the norm for discographies. The List should have title and year of release. Anything more than that is superflous and out of keeping with the encyclopedic content of Wikipedia. Paul210 07:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

OK I'm cutting out anything that can be described as opinion, but for now, leaving notes on musicians, location etc. Actually I still think it's valuable to highlight in some way the key works in the man's oeuvre, can we do this by bolding the titles of some albums? (e.g Getz/Gilberto, Jazz Samba). Nice talking to you Istanbuljohnm 09:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite?
This paragraph:


 * Getz became involved with drugs and alcohol while a teenager. He also developed a pack-a-day cigarette habit. In 1954, he was arrested for trying to rob a pharmacy to get morphine. As he was being processed in the prison ward of Los Angeles City Hospital, his wife - Beverly Byrne, a former vocalist with the Gene Krupa band, whom he married on November 7, 1946 - gave birth to their third child one floor below; they divorced in 1956. Beverly was addicted to heroin, as was Stan, but eventually got clean. Getz married Swedish aristocrat Monica Silfverskiold on November 3, 1956, and they had one child. In 1957, a son was born to Inga Torgner.  After years of trying to get him clean, Monica, who had gained custody of Stan and Beverly's children, left him; he divorced her in 1987.

is very confusing. Who is Inga Torgner? And how does the sentence in which she appears relate to anything else? I can't fix it because I don't know, but I hope someone can do so. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 19:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I am shocked and depressed to discover how dysfunctional the personal life of the man who gave us the definitive recordings of Desafinado and Girl from Ipanema was. Six children by 3 women, one conceived out of adultery. Poor Monica.132.181.160.42 (talk) 08:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Stage Name?
"Stan" is his stage name? Not just the commonly used shorter version of Stanley. Anything to make the article just a tad longer, eh. I suppose "Jon" is the stage name for Jonathan, and "Marc" is the stage name for Marcus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.33.135 (talk) 13:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Use in popular media?
Might be something to add references in popular media... for example, on the Rush in Rio DVD, lead guitarist Alex Lifeson introduces himself as Stan Getz towards the end of their show (La Villa Strangiato). -- Russellvt (talk) 22:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Died June 6th 1991
The private life section says he died in 1998.
 * And is the photo from 1987? That's gotta be the youngest looking 60 year old I've ever seen.Tom Cod (talk) 05:54, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Are the Photo and Caption Accurate?
The photo and its accompanying caption purport to show Getz in 1987 with his daughter Katie. Aside from looking at least 15 years younger than the 60 he would have been, the New York Times obituary of June 8, 1991 indicates nothing about his having a daughter named Katie and also informs us he had filed divorce in 1981 from his last wife Monica whom he married in 1956. Thus, leaving aside the issue of the date of the photo, perhaps that child was his granddaughter. The pertinent section of the NYT obit is as follows:

"In 1981, he filed for divorce from his second wife, Monica, to whom he had been married for three decades, on the ground that she was poisoning him by adding Antabuse, a drug that causes an allergic reaction to alcohol, to his food. The case became legendarily acrimonious and expensive; one report had the costs at more than $1.5 million. They were finally divorced in 1987, but Mrs. Getz continued to fight, taking the case to the United States Supreme Court, which refused to hear it. Also in 1987, Mr. Getz was found to have cancer. He continued to perform and record, making several albums in the last few months of his life. He is survived by three sons, Stephen, David and Nicholas, and two daughters, Beverly McGovern and Pamela Raynor."Tom Cod (talk) 06:08, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

A MySpace page dedicated to Getz indicates that Katie was in fact his granddaughter.Tom Cod (talk) 06:17, 10 December 2011 (UTC) http://www.myspace.com/stangetz/photos/27063260

Early Life - Selmer Mark VI
The early life section mention his saxophone of choice was the Selmer Mark VI. I'm sure this was the case, but it's between two sentences referencing events in the early 40s. I doubt Mr. Getz was playing a Selmer Mark VI at that time, as he was a teenager and it was a very expensive horn -- as well as the fact that it was first manufactured in 1954. I don't think anyone's checking the discussion section of this page that often...so I'll just move the sentence to a more relevant section. Thanks! Robko626 (talk) 20:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

"of Jewish origin"?
This opening sentence is offensive to me as a Jew and jazz fan: "Stanley Getz (February 2, 1927 – June 6, 1991) was an American jazz saxophonist of Jewish origin."

Yes, he was Jewish but what that has to do with his saxophone playing, when that is what he is renowned for, is beyond me.

I believe it is much more appropriate in the family bio section one paragraph later, though these sentences are muddled and lack detail: "His parents were Ukrainians, who emigrated from the Kiev area in 1903. The family later moved to New York City for better employment opportunities."

I wrote this paragraph which includes the relevant details but is much clearer: "Stan Getz' Jewish parents came from the Kiev area of the Ukraine but, tired and fearful of the ongoing pogroms there, emigrated to the United States in 1903. The Getz family first settled in Philadelphia, where Stan was born at St. Vincent's Hospital on Feb. 2, 1927. During the Depression his family moved to New York after his father's brother told them there were better jobs there."

see -- http://www.stangetz.net/bio.html

192.195.80.226 (talk) 15:44, 7 June 2014 (UTC)Stan Flouride
 * Really? Offended because his ethnicity is not stated in the paragraph you prefer? Hmmm. 104.169.22.117 (talk) 05:30, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

no mention of his probable personality disorder?
Gary Burton and others have discussed his substance abuse problems but additionally his seeming personality changes. Burton, for instance, thought he might have been bipolar. There are RS'd interviews and such out there. Great musician, but let's face it, the man had some serious problems. His sudden switch to rages was definitely not normal. Some of his more vulgar moments at receptions and parties are hard to explain without some sort of psychological issues. 104.169.22.117 (talk) 05:35, 17 January 2019 (UTC)