Talk:Stanley's Cup

Ike appearing early
According ot the trivia section, Ike appears before he actually joins the team. But where? He's certainly in the promo picture (which is where I suspect this 'trivia' came from, but he's not in that scene in the actual episode. So unless he appears in another scene (I don't think so), theres no goof there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.224.29 (talk) 02:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Ike's the one who got punched by a Red Wings player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamhungey (talk • contribs) 21:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Trivia Problem
While I, PERSONALLY, agree that this is likely the case, is there any citation to prove that this is the case:


 * This is a response to the media's anger over South Park's Steve Irwin joke in Hell on Earth 2006.

Because, if not, we can't leave it in there as an assumption. I will check back before removing it later today to see if such a citation exists. -- Ubergenius 17:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Reworded it to try to avoid getting the axe. See if that's any better. Roffler 18:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds much better. -- Ubergenius 19:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Gordon Bombay doesn't hug his father at the end of the movie, his father died when he was little. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.74.211.111 (talk) 11:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * O RLY? Who is it he hugs? Roffler 18:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't recall anyone being hugged at the end. But it can't be his father for sure because he is dead. Charlie's mom? I think the ending was a parody of "Miracle" with Jim Craig, the goalie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.92.76.43 (talk) 07:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Gordon Bombay is hugging that guy Hans, he was a skate shop owner in the mighty ducks, I believe.

This article needs more trivia. The too much trivia banner should be removed. It has no purpose

Random
Some guy must've really been angry at the end of the episode portraying his team like that. I'm surprised there are actually hockey fans. >.>.

Yeah, as a Red Wing fan, I feel honored to finally be made fun of south park :D

Did anyone notice that Nelson's (the sick kid) father has a hat that has a "fixed" shadow. While he turns it around in his hands the shadow turns around with it. :)

The trivia part of this article should also include the info on Steve Irwin remarks.

The trivia section on the Irwin remarks does not need citation needed, they are there, everyone whos seen it can testify to that.

It is ridiculous to flatly state in the trivia that this has the most dark and tragic ending. If I were to pick one, I'd say "Scott Tenorman Must Die" had a way more terrible ending. It was of course hilarious, but still very dark. I deleted the line. Not to mention, even if the statement is correct, it's still an opinion.

Although I've never seen "The Mighty Ducks", it seems to me the plot of "Stanley's Cup" is inspired by that movie. Here is the first sentence of the Wikipedia synopses for "The Might Ducks": "After being charged with drunk driving, a lawyer named Gordon Bombay (Emilio Estevez) is sentenced to community service, coaching hockey, a sport he claimed to hate". In "Stanley's Cup", Stan is forced to coach the local pee wee hockey team in exchange for waiving fines he owes the county and getting his impounded bike back from the county. I think this and other similarities to "The Mighty Ducks" ought to be mentioned in the article. I don't think this is meant to have a "dark ending" as much as it is meant to be a satire of sports movie cliches. I love it when Stan tells his team before taking the ice at the Pepsi Center that "according to every movie that has ever been made, we're supposed to win", which just cracked me up to no end. This is the point of having the pee wee's getting beaten bloody by the Red Wings and having the little boy in the hospital die. Instead of a sports movie cliche ending, we get a South Park ending. It's all very funny. By the way, the Wings outscore the Park County Pee Wee's 30-0 in the third period.

Anyone know what the tracks were that the narrator was playing on the record player were?

I thought the episode was a metaphor for how the United States bullies the world.

Factual point. Wasn't the final score of the match at the end 32-2? I'll have to check it out again during the reairing tonight.

Wow, this episode had a dark ending compared to most other episodes. I can't tell if this is worse than the episodes that have a 'cold end' or not.

I am a South Park fan. But I found this episode to be in bad taste. It had its moments, but it made horrible remarks about Steve Irwin. And the ending wasn't funny, it wasn't good. I like the older season episodes like "Pink Eye, Cartman's Anal Probe, Cancelled, and Cartman's Mom is a Dirty Slut.

Personal Opinion: I thought the dark ending was unnecessary but funny, given that South Park is a comedy, and one must view the material with a certain frame of mind. Steve Erwin jokes? Sure. The guy was awesome. It's sad that he died, but... what are you gonna do, right? Question: Does anybody know what Nelson's death have to do with anything? Thanks. -- Nick Begovich 05:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Re Steve Irwin: Why does everyone make such a huge case about him? There are worse ways to die, he just happened to be a celebrity. Boo-f**king-hoo. Now that I've established myself as a serious commenter (sarcasm), I thought that the episode was very good. Yes, it wasn't all laughs, but that's what makes it great; the range of emotion in the episode was great. The themes of the episode were intriguing too; it's not often you see a host of modern views (mainly realism... well not so modern from what I linked, but it's more modern than what the episode parodies) like that -anywhere- in commercial television. It was refreshing to get away from the string of "current events" episodes and explore new territory. I kind of want to keep rambling, but meh.--Charibdis 05:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

So, I guess it would probably violate WP:POV to add to "trivia" that this was probably the worst episode they've ever done? I kept waiting for the punchline, then the show ended. Was there a joke in there somewhere? Or was it all just a setup to punch 5-year-olds in the face? 69.243.64.49 06:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * A lot of people seem to be saying that the ending was dark and not funny. The ending is amusing if considered in the context of the episode. The whole point of this episode is that it's full of movie clichés. The plot and the characters are all clichés. Stan is the only one who isn't a cliché, but surrounded by all these clichés, he starts to believe that everything will turn out OK in the end, just as it would in a movie. The punchline is that it doesn't turn out anything like it should in a movie for Stan, but the Red Wings and their coach do enjoy a cliché moving ending. I reckon the article should mention this, as it's the whole point of episode. Anyone agree? James Richardson 15:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The ending I don't think was dark, but it was cliché... personally, I found it hilarious, especially that they killed the kid off at the end - because it's a huge cliché, I didn't really see it coming until the last few minutes. ≈  The Haunted Angel  16:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Really? I thought this was the best episode of the season! Borisblue 08:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's an hilarious episode. I mean what were you expecting? The Pee Wee's to win and their sick teammate to miraculously recover from his cancer? This is satire folks and this time the target was sports movie cliches.


 * In my opinion, most of South Park's season finales aren't their best material. This one seems to have hit a new low, in my opinion.

Personally I like the ending. It shows it from the losers point of view. Moon Stone 08:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the last thirty seconds were funny, but this was, IMHO, the worst episode of the season, if not the show, period. I know what they were trying to spoof, but why bother? Those movies already sucked, and everybody knows it. They couldn't come up with anything better for the last episode of the season?

I don't understand everyone's problem with this episode. This is quite possibly the least offensive episode of all. The entire episode was a parody of a stock movie genre instead of politics, religion, or any specific person. The only offensive lines in the entire episode were the ones about Steve Irwin and they were only in there because everyone expected an apology over Hell on Earth. It's a classic Stan-centric-not-caring-about-the-subject styled South Park episode. To say this episode hit a new low, or any low at all, is to express pure ignorance about the show. Yes, it was dark humor, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. All in all, I can see why people who are accustomed to their political satire episodes would not find this one to be all that good, but to say it's not a good one because it hits any sort of lows is ignorant. It's not what they're spoofing that makes their brand of comedy funny. It's all style and panache, and this episode was full of it. Mac  OS X  10:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Mystery, Alaska
The part where the peewees play the professional sports team seems a parody of Mystery, Alaska, but I can't find a decent enough plot synopsis anywhere... Can anyone verify this? Roffler 18:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The only similarity I can see is that in Mystery, the main characters lost their game, much like Stan's team. But in Mystery, the game was lost by 1 point, and everything was all happy at the end, so I don't see that much of a correlation. -- Ubergenius 19:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I merely meant the similarity of some local hockey team taking on a professional hockey team. Unless that happens in real life a lot... im not sure, I don't watch hockey.  134.253.26.6 22:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * ^me (whoops) Roffler 22:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I definately thought the part where they play the Red Wings was reminiscint of Mystery, Alaska — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.110.55.108 (talk) 22:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Canadians
Is it worth mentioning that the adult canadian team in this episode have normal voices and normal heads? Unlike the southpartk norm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Margheritapizza (talk • contribs) 13:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

good point there, didnt notice. Though no original brands used (and therefore no players specified) one would have to expect canadian players in nhl-franchises. i would sort it as "goof" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.168.78.43 (talk) 14:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * But in Not Without My Anus, the Iraqis were drawn like Canadians (while the Americans are drawn as normal), yet in every other episode they are featured in, they were drawn normally. Only Saddam kept the Canadian look (and his photo head) in his subsequent appearances. - NES Boy 23:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * THose weren't candians... they were the detroit red wings? Borisblue 03:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Many Detroit Red Wings and Colorado players are Canadian. --Havermayer 04:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Trivia cleanup
I just cleaned up a bunch of irrevelant trivias. please... use common sense when adding trivias — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.163.141 (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Isn't trivia by definition irrelevant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.126.234 (talk) 17:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure, but make sure it's worth hearing. Trivia like "this is the first episode with Stan's name in the title," or "this is season x to not have a Christmas special," is stupid. Trivia like "This is a parody of Mighty Ducks" is not, since many people haven't seen Mighty Ducks and it can put the episode in context, or what the newspaper says in the beginning (which is really an easter egg type of trivia) is much more interesting. Professor Chaos 14:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

That was a nice try, Mr. Anonymous, trying to put back in the bit about Cartman not being in this episode. I'm not being sarcastic, there was actually something there other than "Cartman's not in this episode." The reasoning is off, though. First of all, Matt and Trey have no scruples about throwing out continuity for a joke, which is obvious from the Go, God, Go episodes. At the end, Cartman arrived home months before he left, which creates a paradox. It can be inferred from the end of the episode, since Cartman's in the future again (a different future) that Cartman froze himself again, but we have no way of knowing when he arrived back. Maybe it was when he wanted, maybe not. The real reason Cartman wasn't in this episode was that there was no place for him in it, just as there was no place for Kenny, so he was also absent. Professor Chaos 06:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't familiar with Wikipedia's storage problems. I thought they could handle a few useless trivia facts that may be interesting to some people. Huh, well I guess you learn something new everyday. Poor guys though, I might donate a hard drive or something to alleviate this problem.


 * The problem is with just listing bare facts, without integrating them sensibly into other sections of the article. See WP:TRIV. –OrangeDog (talk • edits) 02:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Stanley Is Cup?
Stanley's cup means Stanley Is Cup when broken down, so I dont think that little ' belongs there. I'm taking it out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.175.127 (talk) 22:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What a fucking retard... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.107.168.72 (talk) 16:25, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
 * No, Stanley's cup means "the cup belonging to Stanley" — Mets501 (talk) 04:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * lol! Pretty basic grammer there... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.159.5 (talk) 15:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I like it!


 * I hope you were joking with . I hate the ' also. I see it as  to.


 * "I see it as  to." Wow...I know this is a comedy series attracting all sorts of people but obvious analphabets playing the grammar police here really cracks me up. Please leave the internet (or at least WP), sir - you are too f...ing stupid213.39.132.222 (talk) 10:30, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 18:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Huh?
What is this referring to, in the trivia: "The parents of Nelson are the same couple that appeared in Cartoon Wars that nobody knew about during the sand scene." I want to delete it, unless someone can make a good case for it. Professor Chaos 14:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think this is more of a fact than a trivia. Still it does point out who the 'nobody knew about' couples were all along; Nelson's parents. But then the story gets more complicated. Who's Nelson? The judgement won't depend on me and I will leave it there until somebody deletes it or just leaves it in. --70.187.163.141 19:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that really doesn't make any sense at all and doesn't answer my question. Who are the couple in Cartoon Wars that nobody knew about during the sand scene?  I may have to watch the episode again. Professor Chaos 00:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If you watch the episode again, two couple say "We will do it" and everybody is like "Who are those people" --70.187.163.141 02:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

-In the burying the head in the sand scene, the guy volunteers to be the only one not to, I would say it was noteworthy that there is a pair of characters in 2 episodes of this series who represent cliche family characters in sad films.

Steve Irwin
I removed this comment from the synopsis, because it doesn't belong there:

"This episode can be seen as a retaliation to the uproar made when South Park depicted Steve Irwin in hell in Hell on Earth 2006, with it's aim focused on shock and disgust rather than pure comedy; a commentary on society's levels of tolerance and acceptance in relation to the limits of what can be depicted on television."

First of all, this is not true at all. There are only two mentions of Steve Irwin's name (appropriately handled in the trivia section), and they have nothing to do with the episode as a whole. This episode is a parody of The Mighty Ducks and sports movie clichés, nothing more. The jabs at those who were offended at Steve Irwin's appearance in Hell on Earth are outside the plot, and are just a brief joke to rub it in their faces.

Secondly, a lot of the statement is opinion, and POV.

Professor Chaos 20:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Baseketball reference
I'm not completely sure, but wasn't there an identical bit in baseketball, what with the kid being sick and asking one of the guys to pull some impossible stunt in the game? (baseketball being made by the creators of SP) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.154.232.220 (talk) 13:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Parker's character promises a sickly child that he'll score three home runs in BASEketball. But I think this is a pretty common plot device in sports movies and is more likely a coincidence rather than a reference.  Hoof Hearted 17:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It did happen to Babe Ruth near the end of his career in real life, but Hoof Hearted is correct: it is a fairly common theme in entertainment. Jmlk17 01:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Commentators
I'm not sure but I think the two commentators in Stanley's Cup are lot like the Chinese ones in Conjoined Fetus Lady. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.3.157 (talk) 17:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Any time there are commentators in South Park, they are variations on the same two characters. They first appeared in "Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride." Professor Chaos 18:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Revert war - characters not appearing
There has been an unnecessary revert war going on in this article over trivia about characters not appearing. Could you please move that to this discussion page (or another) where it belongs and settle it in a civil manner? Thank you. -- Pawl 15:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I already have commented on this above. I'll say more.  If Cartman and Kenny's absences are notworthy trivia to add to this page, then every episode page deserves a trivia mentioning absent characters (as many do).  All or nothing.  The appropriate place for these mentions is on the page for the character.  I do not have time for such a large project at the moment (finals week next week), but two projects I plan on doing soon are an overhaul/rewrite of Cartman's page, and also Dr. Mephisto's page (I've rarely seen something so poorly written).  On Cartman's page I will add a mention of notable absences.  Meanwhile, I will leave it in this page until there is that space for it.  It really isn't trivia, anyway. Professor Chaos 23:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Tyke vs. Mini-mite
I made an edit where I changed "tyke" level hockey to mini-mite and that Stan would not be able to coach. Why did it get removed? I'm a mini/mite coach myself and verified my knowledge using usahockey.com so I think I would know what I'm talking about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.8.209.234 (talk) 12:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Because it isn't interesting at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.44.150 (talk) 00:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Criteria for inclusion is in no way based upon what one anon finds "interesting". I think it would also be worth noting that pee-wee level hockey is for ages 11-12 (Minor hockey), significantly older than the apparent ages of Stan's team. –OrangeDog (talk • edits) 02:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Song in episode
What's the name of that rock song which played? Can't understand the lyrics except for the constant "woohoo"...
 * As the article says, it's Song 2 by Blur. —Angr 13:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

What's the name of the songs during the episode, there the narrator plays a section of a record. It's really interesting to find out these tracks because they normally relate to some other dark trivia typical of Matt Stone/Trey Parker.

I think those record are standard trailer background-music. It sounded very familiar when narrated over. carewolf 20:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I recognize the first "trailer" music that the guy plays on the record after the first (tied) game as being the track ground operation from the Macross Zero soundtracks. I had to do a double take when I first watched that scene, since it seemed like a rather bizarre musical reference to make, and didn't quite fit in with the other, more "upbeat", music being used. After listening to it a few more times, though, I'm fairly certain that's what it is. Some of the other ones also sounded vaguely familiar, but none I that I can put a finger on.

"Distant" parody of the Mighty Ducks?
Some scenes are almost literally word for word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.213.149 (talk) 01:00, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

-has anyone ever sat down and watched the end of the 1st mighty ducks movie and compared it to "stanley's cup", they are almost identical. Its hilarious, even the trophy looks the same! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.216.45 (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Peewee players resemble main 4
I thought that this was worth pointing out. 4 of the players on the peewee team resemble Stan, Kyle, Cartman, and Kenny —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.170.222 (talk) 10:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * According to who? – L A  X  10:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Cultural References and OR
Any cites for these?


 * Two references to the death of Steve Irwin are made in response to the controversies started over Irwin's "cameo" in "Hell on Earth 2006". The first is the doctor telling Stan that if they lose 'the big game' Nelson will "go out faster than Steve Irwin in a tank full of stingrays." The latter, approximately 30 seconds after, occurs when Stan's team expresses scepticism over how long Nelson was going to live. When Stan tells them that the other team wouldn't kill them, the boys cynically reply "that's what Steve Irwin said about the stingrays."
 * This episode doesn't feature Cartman or Kenny. Kyle is briefly shown in two scenes: a flashback and during training after Stan recruited Ike.
 * The audio clip when the Pepsi Center is shown as the Pee-Wees come to play their game is the "battle won" theme from Heroes of Might and Magic III.
 * The entire episode is a close parody of The Mighty Ducks.
 * The outfits that Stan and Adams County team's coach wear, as well as the hair styles, are reminiscent of the outfits of the "Miracle on Ice" coaches Herb Brooks and Viktor Tikhonov at the time of the 1980 Winter Olympics.
 * The Detroit Red Wings and Colorado Avalanche have a long, and sometimes brutal, rivalry. The best example would be the Red Wings-Avalanche brawl 1997.
 * The episode is dogged by a county official with a turntable record player, who comments on the changing situation in a way that is reminiscent of Adam Sandler or Rob Schneider movie trailers (cf. "The Biggest Douche in the Universe").
 * When the crowd begins to chant, "Let them play! Let them play!", it is a reference to The Bad News Bears in Breaking Training from 1977. In the film, the little league game, played at the Houston Astrodome, runs late and the kids are told they have to leave to allow the Major League game to proceed. At which point, they begin the chant to enable the game to finish.

When we get them we can add them to the article again. Alastairward (talk) 10:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Basic primary source facts don't really need citing as they are verifiable by anyone who looks at the primary sources. This applies to things such as "Cartman is not in the episode", "this music is called that" and "this plot is similar to that". If verification can be found by following an internal link, e.g Red Wings-Avalanche brawl 1997. Please be sensible when removing "unreferenced" material. –OrangeDog (talk • edits) 02:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I am SO glad I'm not the only one who sees a problem with all these things being removed from the main articles. A basic summery and nothing else is not why I go to the articles. ..okay, that isn't entirely true in some cases. But more often than not, with South Park I look for the episode articles because I wanna know MORE than the story summary. Dakmordian (talk) 09:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The two of you should look at the episode articles for South Park (season 13) before casting further judgement. Perhaps even try citing a few things instead of dwelling around complaints on the talk pages... Alastairward (talk) 13:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Alastairward, please go read TRIV and the section "What this guideline is not" and stop removing the trivia. Thank you. 131.188.203.167 (talk) 19:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Halftime?
The caption to the main image says "halftime". Since when is their a halftime in hockey? Or is that how it is referred to in the episode? Can't remember. Brokenyard (talk) 22:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)