Talk:Stanley Hotel, Nairobi

Contested deletion
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because notability is definitely being asserted. It may be AfD'd if not shown. --Deunanknute (talk) 14:05, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This article may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as an article about a company, corporation or organization that does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject. There is no credible claim as there is not even one reference in the article. The article is promotional not even looking at the fact that the original author is an advertiser.- McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 14:13, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I would say the past guests (especially Hemmingway), the stock exchange, and the post office references, each meet the qualifications of credible importance. Credible does not mean it needs to be backed up by a reliable source, or enough to pass WP:N. Only that it indicates possible notability.
 * I am not saying this article is a definite keep, nor that there isn't a COI with the creator, nor that this article couldn't be used as advertising. I am only saying that this article does not meet the criteria for WP:A7, and should be given a chance, through AfD if necessary, to become an acceptable article. Deunanknute (talk) 14:54, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I did a news search and got some passing hits. It might not be the Grand Hotel, Brighton or the Waldorf Astoria, although, given Nairobi sources aren't always easily accessible from a simple Google search, it might be. It's a done deal - A7 declined. However, you must add some sources (some of the news hits listed here would do for a start) otherwise the article is still at risk of going to AfD. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've added a source from a book on 19th and early 20th century Kenyan history that dedicates a few pages to the hotel and May Bent, which (for me) spells a clear "not an A7". - were you sitting around twiddling your thumbs thinking "I wonder what article we can rescue from CSD today", well not any more you're not! Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)  16:11, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I certainly agree with Deunanknute that the hotel looks notable; it absolutely does not qualify for speedy and I suspect it would pass AfD. However, I notice that it was earlier tagged as possible copyvio, has anyone looked into that? I might work on sourcing it a little later; right now I am still working on an article that was rescued from RfD. --MelanieN (talk) 16:24, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've done a copyedit on it (which trims out some POV as a bonus), and Earwig's tool now reports 2.9% likelihood of copyvio. I'm up to three reliable sources, and there's more to follow - if this is the place the Queen stayed at immediately before ascending to the throne, that is a slam dunk keep as far as I'm concerned. (ed: no, that's the Treetops Hotel) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:34, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

The article is taking shape nicely now. Thankyou very much for your help. I am confident that this article would now return a "keep" result at AfD, particularly over the number of books I have researched that described the hotel as "famous" or "important". In my view, WP:BEFORE is a prerequisite for any deletion process, and an article that claims multiple notable visitors is always worth a search for sources. If you can return more than zero hits in Google News or Google Books, and can cite one in the article, you should add the source and stop the speedy, and if you can get above 10 that are totally independent of each other, that's broadly speaking good enough to avoid an AfD (and if you can get above 50 you should be thinking of looking at WP:GAN but that's for later) Most genuine speedies (and I reckon this is about 90-95% of the stuff that gets tagged as such at NPP) return zero hits for both news and books. Anyway, something worth thinking about for the future. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  18:22, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Images
I uploaded three new images;, , and. I put the first in, not sure about the other two. Deunanknute (talk) 18:39, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Create a category for the hotel on Commons, that way we can use here. The 2014 date on File:Mayence-bent.jpg cannot possibly be correct, anyone opening a hotel as an adult in 1902 would hold the world record for the oldest person alive if they were still living in 2014! I think the photo is from 1967ish from a quick search online. Although she had a good innings, dying just short of 100, it wasn't that good, <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:48, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Here's the category, but I don't have a clue what I just did.... Deunanknute (talk) 19:06, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get it. Deunanknute (talk) 19:35, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Move page?
From what I can tell, the current name is "Sarova Stanley", as used by the company itself. Should the page be moved? Deunanknute (talk) 14:18, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The general guidelines are in WP:COMMONNAME, but I would say probably not, as most of the sources that we've unearthed relate to the Queen, Ernest Hemingway etc. which used its original name. It really depends what the most likely term would be for somebody typing in the search box. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:14, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Naming made up?
Mayence Bent's first husband was William Stanley Bent. Deunanknute (talk) 15:12, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, and they never actually married, possibly because he was her step-brother. Deunanknute (talk) 15:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Wow, a nice article on an East African topic.
I've had breakfast at this hotel at least once before, it's a nice place. Good work on the article! &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 09:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

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