Talk:StarCraft/Archive 1

New article
The purpose of this article is to cover the products of that comprise the ever-growing StarCraft series, so that they can be summarised more efficiently in one place. Its a replacement for the mess formerly known as StarCraft universe.

Some areas still need work, such as the cultural impact section - there's more to StarCraft than just South Korea. The Brood War portion of the story overview also needs referencing to the "Story So Far" when part 2 is released - in this case that published overview is far better than referencing directly to the game's missions as I've done in other SC articles. In addition, some development or review commentary on StarCraft novels could be added to bolster the novel section, as well as some more information on the Amazing Stories articles.

I did consider the possibilities of adding a music section, but I couldn't find appropriate sources: I found an interview with the composer - but it was talking about Warcraft - and an interview with a guy who worked on sounds for Ghost, and there wasn't enough information to construct a decent section. If anyone can find some sources with decent coverage on SC music, feel free to create a music section. -- Sabre 11:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

UPL
I'm not sure if it ever explicity mentioned in the manual whether or not the UPL organized the colonization program, only that Doran Routhe organized it. It states that he is a UPL scientist, but it hints throughout the passage that he did all of this without the knowledge or authorization of the UPL. It even says "Routhe was able to secure thousands of UPL prisoners to use as guinea pigs for his secret plans". Is that secret to the general population, or was it secret even to the UPL? I'm wondering how this section should best be worded, because to say that the UPL itself commissioned the program would be misleading, as there's nothing to suggest that they did. bob rulz 18:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The section is only supposed to be a brief overview and as Doran Routhe is a scientist for the UPL it tends to imply that at least high ranking people knew (how often does say, the US president commission things that the public not hear about?), add that to the scale of the people involved and that the UPL had non-secret colonisation programmes to the solar system and the UPL made it the ATLAS stuff public afterwards according to the Metzen interview, just saying the UPL did it is far easier. If it were a more indepth section, I'd agree that some refining is needed, but the section needs to be kept as short as possible. -- Sabre 18:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:VG assessment
Wow! This is a pretty sweet article. I'm rating it B, High (though, as always, it's difficult to come to a definite conclusion on Importance).

The main problems I usually have to deal with have been addressed, though I would mention a couple of things before going for GAC: Apart from that, there isn't really much else to suggest. Have a look at the series articles at WP:VG. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. Hope this helps, Una LagunaTalk 19:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Citations are, on the whole, awesome. There are still a couple of bits which appear to be unsourced, such as the last part of the Merchandise section and the last paragraph of the Story Arc section. Comb through the article to find others.
 * Cultural Impact needs expansion. In fact, I'd suggest sticking this as a sub-section of a Reception section.
 * There are a lot of one- and two-sentence paragraphs. These will hold you up considerably during GAR, so I suggest merging them.
 * I'd suggest writing a gameplay section, unless the major points have been explained already. Some screenshots accompanying this section would also be helpful.
 * Could do with a few more external links.

Plans for StarCraft articles?
This is probably a good place to ask, so I do. Are there any plans for a big change in StarCraft-related articles? I have been seeing a lot of these coming by on WP:VG/A, and StarCraft II has been on my watchlist for a while to help with the anti-cruft.

Specifically, what are the plans concerning the following articles?
 * Terran (StarCraft)
 * Xel'Naga
 * Protoss
 * Zerg
 * StarCraft Campaign Editor
 * List of locations in the StarCraft series

This is just out of curiosity and an offer for help in the form of editing and/or feedback. User:Krator (t c) 01:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, we've got plans for them. Myself and The Clawed One, supported by a couple of other editors who have offered their services, have had plans for this since we sorted out the character articles.


 * Terran (StarCraft), Protoss, Zerg, Xel'Naga and Psionic technology (StarCraft) are being put into a collective Species of StarCraft, covering the development and reception of the species (in both lore and gameplay) as a whole (as species specific development information is hard to come by) and adding commentary on physiology, gameplay aspects and factions, basically following a "how do these things work" approach as opposed to the current "what do these things do" approach - ie, not laden with lots of unnecessary plot that is already sufficiently covered between the game articles and the character articles. The article will allow the Xel'Naga, psionic technology and the factions to be covered in a notable environment, something that that cannot be done in separate articles. This article is next on the agenda, and is about 80% complete.
 * List of locations in the StarCraft series will be entirely redone as Locations of StarCraft, giving development and reception data on graphical elements of the game and on the construction of the worlds. The planets in it will be categorised by the medium in which they are prominent: in the official games, authorised add-ons and novels, and I hope to offer more than simply what role the planet has in the lore.
 * We may create a StarCraft novels article to properly cover the novels in an encyclopedic and notable way as some novels have notability but others do not. Hopefully it will have an overriding theme throughout, such as Chris Metzen's influence on the development of the novels.
 * Eventually, full rehauls will be done on Insurrection (StarCraft), Retribution (StarCraft) and StarCraft: Ghost to get them properly sorted out, while pushing for GA on StarCraft: Brood War.
 * I personally have no plans for StarCraft Campaign Editor at this time, but I'm sure we'll get something done for it.

-- Sabre (talk) 09:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * They all sound like great ideas. Mind if I offer my services, too? bob rulz (talk) 16:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Merging of Insurrection and Retribution
Insurrection and Retribution, despite efforts of combing the web for sources, lack any major notability. I can find only one review for each: one from GameSpot, and the other from a less known review site. Due to this, I think merging them in here will be a good idea. This means we cover them as the minor products they are. It shouldn't mean that the article grows by much, I should think that the current summaries only have to undergo minor modificiations. -- Sabre (talk) 10:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * After looking over the two articles, merging does sound like the best course. The only one that might be able to stand on its own is Insurrection, but it would probably never move past B-class. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC))


 * I've gone ahead and redirected the articles. After comparing the main articles with the summary, I don't really think that there's much that can actually be added from the main articles as the summaries pretty much cover everything relevant, so I've left the summaries on this page alone. -- Sabre (talk) 17:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Stellar Forces
The "starcraft universe" does not exist in the tangible world. I just thought I'd share. Oh, I see the recent addition of the Stellar Forces was removed again. Strange that it is deemed "not real". The irony is deafening. I further see that the atricious blankspacing is back. 128.214.133.2 (talk) 14:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That makes little sense, I can't see the context of your statement. Firstly, no-one has stated that the StarCraft universe actually exists. We're quite well aware that it doesn't, that is why we are not approaching the subject from a in-universe perspective. Stellar Forces was only just added for the first time to the article (so it has not been removed again), and has been removed as it is not a part of the official series, rather a third-party production that its creators were sued over, as opposed to being an official or authorised product. As such, it does not really belong in this article, but if it can be backed up by reliable third-party sources there's no reason it cannot be covered in the article on Blizzard Entertainment, as if it is notable, it will be for the legal side. And no-one has blanked any pages—if you are referring to Insurrection and Retribution, they were not blanked, they were merged as they fail notability guidelines. There is a distinct difference. -- Sabre (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

This article is about Starcraft. The game. The entertainment computer application. This is not about a fictional neverland, a universe that someone substitutes for the one we all agree to share, for a variety of reasons (perhaps lack of percieved affection, I dunno). (Blackspacing (n.): to insert or remove linefeed characters of the standard ASCII set in order to create or remove blank lines in a document.) 128.214.133.2 (talk) 14:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This article's not about the game, this article's meant for summarising the series built from the game: the expansions, the novels, the various other spin-off products. The article for the game itself is over at StarCraft. The fictional aspects of the series are covered in Species of StarCraft and Characters of StarCraft, but again, they don't treat their subject matters as though they actually exist, rather they're written to conform with Wikipedia style guidelines for fiction. I do apologise if I'm still not understanding what you're getting at. -- Sabre (talk) 16:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Korean Starcraft Manga
I noticed a Korean Starcraft manga named "Starcraft" The story is basically a slightly reimagined one from Starcraft: Broodwar. Can anyone confirm if Blizzard authorized this?116.122.184.93 (talk) 15:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Novelizations: Section headings?
Recently I split the "Novelizations" section into multiple subsections, with a heading for each book. Someone disagreed and reversed. I believe the subsection headings are warranted. The section is illegible as one big wall of text. It's way too hard to see where one book ends and the next begins. I have made a new edit where I have simply put in paragraph breaks for each book. Any opinions?SpectrumDT (talk) 22:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not one big wall of text, it's three paragraphs, broken up by the first four novels—the ones in the StarCraft Archive—later novels, and other literature. It's easy enough to follow, and we're not meant to provide lots of detail on each book here (as section headings would encourage) as that puts undue weight onto them or, if they remain short paragraphs, looks bad for presentation. Short paragraphs for each book just look wrong and are discouraged when aiming for good prose and especially the brilliant prose requirement at an FAC. Believe me, three medium length paragraphs is the best way to go. -- Sabre (talk) 23:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I do not believe you. It is a big wall of text, and I do not find it easy to follow. I have added a bulleted list of books to provide an overview. SpectrumDT (talk) 21:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This article has since been reviewed for GAN and FTC since 10 September, which means people with key knowledge of Wikipedia style guidelines have reviewed the article. None of them voiced any concerns about not being able to follow the novelisation section, and they would have if they had any, or the article would not have passed those nominations. I'm sorry you alone can't follow it, but adding a list destroys the presentation of the article. -- Sabre (talk) 21:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Merge discussion of two expansions: Retribution_(StarCraft) and Insurrection (StarCraft)
Found at: Talk:Retribution_(StarCraft).

travb (talk) 00:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Prequel Demo
Don't know if this has been covered or not, but a demo was released in the September, 1998 edition of Computer Gaming World magazine, issue # 170, that introduced 5 missions that acted as a prequel to the events in the original. Can anyone help me hammer out the details; I mean, is it something that needs put it? Magus732 (talk) 04:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No, its not really needed for this article. Its covered at StarCraft; as its a demo, it relates directly to the single game and is better covered there than in the series article. -- Sabre (talk) 11:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Heaven's Devils?
AFAIK, Starcraft II: Heaven's Devils is an official novel. I believe it should be added to the novelization section. —Ynhockey (Talk) 18:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Go for it. -- Sabre (talk) 20:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Starcraft II
Shouldn't this article be updated to include SCII? --☣ Eternal Eclipse ☣ TALK  01:12, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Koprulu Sector proposed for deletion
I'd be happy to see this rescued, if concerns are addressed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:41, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Vespene redirect?
Vespene redirects here, but the word "vespene" doesn't appear in the article text to give me an idea of why.--Theodore Kloba (talk) 16:47, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Apparently the term Vespene Gas (which also redirects here) has its origins in the game. I am not a gamer and had no idea of this. Trying to find out what Vespene Gas is using Wikipedia failed, because there's no mention of it in this article. Thanks to any knowledgeable person who corrects this. 71.47.220.206 (talk) 16:42, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I found a couple of sources ( and ) which show that crystals and vespene gas are the main currencies in the games, but couldn't find anywhere sensible to write about them in this article. A 'gameplay' section might be missing, describing generally how the games play, but I'm not 100% sure about that. Sam Walton (talk) 17:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

SC Retribution Release Date
The most I get from ANYBODY when I ask this, they say it came out in late 1998. Any further information? Tfan101 (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 13 December 2015

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed per consensus; the franchise has overtaken any individual installment as the primary topic; when this occurs, the franchise becomes the primary topic. bd2412 T 15:38, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

– (1) The series is the common name. Google searches indicate that searchers are looking for the series at this point rather than the first title. (2) The series has enough entries to meet WP:NCGAMESDAB's recommendation, which makes sense here. czar 21:40, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * StarCraft (series) → StarCraft
 * StarCraft → StarCraft (video game)


 * Support: I support this and it makes sense. StarCraft should link directly to the series as they have made many more games since and people searching would most likely want to find out more about the entire series rather than the single game that came out in 1998. Marty2Hotty (talk) 22:59, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Per nom. -- ferret (talk) 23:11, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * We had considered this at the time of Wings of Liberty but decided the series wasn't quite the length it needed to be (this was also prior to the "Blizzard is doing 'full' expansion packs for SC2 decision). I will give an unqualified support' for this move, per the nom. --Izno (talk) 13:55, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose first, support second redirect StarCraft to Starcraft (disambiguation) and move Starcraft (disambiguation) to Starcraft In ictu oculi (talk) 16:24, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the video game series called StarCraft is clearly the WP:PTOPIC. What policy/guideline reasoning do you have to move around the disambiguation page? --Izno (talk) 16:28, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support – Thought about this carefully. Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, we should look at incoming wikilinks and article traffic as well, and right now, both measures do not support the move. The series article gets only a third of the traffic that the video game article gets (in fact, StarCraft II actually gets a lot more as well), and has about 25% fewer incoming wikilinks in the article namespace. Despite these statistics, I'm still supporting the move. I think the number of expansions, board games, and other media-related items associated with the franchise have dwarfed the original game by a wide margin at this point. The third criteria mentioned by the nom, Google results, is probably the most important and stands as a clear indication that various elements of the franchise are just as likely to turn up in the results as the original game. It's time to make the move. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:18, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:NCVGDAB. The series (franchise) is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC at this point. Common usage in reliable sources no longer primarily refers to the first game. Searching also suggests it is the primary topic between other non-game related topics of the similar name. Since primary topic would take the game's title, the game can be dabbed with "video game". — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 16:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support, for all the reasons given.–Totie (talk) 02:43, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. Although the video game came first, other things named after it, the other things eclipse the old video game.  Oppose any StarCraft (disambiguation) because all topics are variations on the one topic.  The CamelCase is significant.  StarCraft should be listed at Starcraft (disambiguation), where the PT of starcraft is astrology.  Possibly, StarCraft could be a WP:CONCEPTDAB page.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:11, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
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Move cleanup
A lot of ground to cover here. I've hit many of the obvious areas, and the templates. There's a ton of links though. In many cases the articles probably are fine referring to the series, I've been mostly updating clear references to the first game. -- ferret (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

StarCraft III?
Do we know when and if we would get a StarCraft III? Tfan101 (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The last installment for SCII has just been out for 16 days so don't go there yet. 195.109.63.17 (talk) 06:56, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Can't say much about Starcraft 3, but a mission pack is announced starring Nova in 3 episodes consisting of 3 missions each, starting to be released in June this year. Blizzard has said these occur in the aftermath of Amons destruction. see here: Starcraft II: Legacy of the Void. The mission packs are designed to keep players engaged with Starcraft 2, so if one were to speculate... SC3 won't be coming anytime soon. Scourge Splitter (talk) 10:55, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

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There is an abandoned draft of a retired Wikipedia editor at User:S@bre/StarCraft: Shadow of the Xel'Naga that will probably be deleted at some point unless an editor here decides to take it up. Or, you could nominate it for deletion yourself if you don't find it helpful. Daask (talk) 06:26, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
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