Talk:Star Control II

Groombridge
Should be a paragraph about the original idea behind Groombridge in SC2? Originally Paul Reiche and Fred Ford wanted to portray themselves as gods, but had no time to put in the final version because of time constraints. -Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.244.165.185 (talk • contribs) 22:22, July 23, 2007
 * If you can find a reliable source for a citation, put it in. --GargoyleMT 00:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The Ur-Quan Masters
I think the Ur-Quan Masters section on Star Control page should be moved here because UQM is a remake of Star Control II not Star Control. See full discussion at Talk:Star Control/Archives/2023/December. --Voidvector 07:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Named Planets
Is this section really encyclopedic? It seems more like a random list to me (and not very useful at that). Cheesy123456789 00:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Mycon
Anyone notice how similar this name is to the The Mekon? could be deliberate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.64.108.55 (talk) 20:46, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No need to look for such an abstruse etymology. Check Myco-. GhePeU 23:47, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe it comes from Greek, and it basically means "fungus". 98.202.165.201 (talk) 06:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Screenshots
Since The Ur-Quan Masters is open source, is it possible to move the screenshots to Commons?--87.7.67.48 (talk) 12:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I investigated this possibility when I added the rationale, but while the game is GPL, the media contents (including the graphics) are released under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5, which isn't acceptable in commons. GhePeU (talk) 19:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks--87.16.69.13 (talk) 18:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

GP2X Port
The article reads "A very playable port has been produced for the GP2X portable game system." but I would argue that its a fully playable port, not a very playable port. I would almost go so far as to say fully functional, but when you try and have it run with the Precursor's remixes it can run rather slowly, so I wouln't go that far. If there are no objections in the meantime then I will make the change tomorrow. Also, I feel the link to the GP2X port should be to Senor Quack's version of it, which is maintained, opposed to the current version, which I don't think is... I will do that tomarrow too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeotronic (talk • contribs) 03:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeotronic (talk • contribs) 17:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Plot Summary Source?
I once owned the PC version of game, and while my memory may not be the best, I do not recognize half of what was written. The PC opening was not like that, neither was the "Ur-Quan Masters" opening like that. Was this taken from the manual or the 3D0 version? Pakopako (talk) 05:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I have the open source version, the ship used to get to Unzervalt wasn't even named in the PC intro. I presume it's as described in the 3DO intro. Digifiend (talk) 11:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I sure don't recognise half that either. It wasn't in the PC manual from what I recall.  "I presume it's how it is in the 3DO intro" isn't good enough -- we need a verifiable source if we're going to keep this information on Wikipedia. 78.105.167.145 (talk) 18:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The Introduction section is a faithful summary of the game's background as detailed in the Star Control II Manual. I have a copy of the manual through the boxed SC1/SC2/SC3 collection, who included pdf editions of all games' documentation (manuals, resource guides, maps, etc.), but it is also publicly available through some 'abandonware' websites (I added to the references the first good link I could find). However, I'm not sure that it is legally distributed (I'm pretty much sure that it's a copyright infringement) so it could be removed at any time (and it probably will, sooner or later). GhePeU (talk) 09:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

What I find amazing is that the 'plot' section has lots on stuff that happens in the intro but a much smaller paragraph of the happenings in the game. it should be the other way around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.247.219.10 (talk) 04:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That's because the background/introduction is a fixed narrative, while the game plot is much more complicated and some parts can be played out-of-order or skipped completely. I hoped to expand that section as well but never went around to actually do it. The Resource Guide/Hintbook (as of today, available here) could be useful. GhePeU (talk) 09:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

This game is incredibly complicated and it should be noted that the plot line written here is missing a large portion of the game. It was more than 20 years ago that I last played it but the Mycon were the actual bad guys and the ur-kuan were actually trapping planets to protect intelligent life from the Mycon, but you don't find that out until the game is almost over and then you die. I never knew anyone who beat this game without cheating but it was possible..... or so it is said. God is a fungus and he is going to eat us, which I assume is similar to what my garden carrots say about me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.20.229 (talk) 20:26, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Action RPG?
Is this game really an action RPG? There's no leveling of character stats. SharkD (talk) 02:47, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I think so. Although the player may not gain XP directly, since the vehicle is the character, they can buff their character by adding more thrusters, guns, and pods, leveling up to improve their character. I don't think XP per se is a defining factor to qualify as an RPG. Further, I think SC2 also qualifies as a Vehicular RPG. Jzylstra (talk) 18:36, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Real World
although in real world, only 4 exoplanets are discovered at the time of publishing of this game.UY4Xe8VM5VYxaQQ (talk) 16:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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Full version on PC Gamer cover disc.
Does anyone know what year and month PC Gamer released the full version of Star Control II on their cover CD-ROM? The disc also included some other old games in full version, with copy protection removed if the game originally had any. For Star Control II the copy protection was answering a question with information from the manual before the game would start. On the PC Gamer disc, PDF copies of the manual and starmap were included, but the player didn't have to look up the answers because the game was hacked to accept anything, or nothing at all, as the answer. I had that issue but can't find it. It's NOT the July 2000 Classic Games 1 issue. I have that and SC2 is not on the disc. Bizzybody (talk) 01:16, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Split The Ur-Quan Masters
This article is in better shape than last time I saw it. It's kind of long but it's all very sourced and interesting for fans. I think a split is a good idea and UQM is a good place to make the cut. It's separately notable with multiple important sub sections you would want in a game article. UQM is also going to be the title and Trademark for the upcoming spin-off series. Another suggestion would be to create a Universe of Star Control article, but that might have less reception. It's more natural to create splits for different titles, like SC2/UQM. I even think you could have two "good articles" if we work at it. Jorahm (talk) 20:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Legacy and Influence
Zoe Quinn's credentials are essentially a homemade text adventure and Gamergate, with other projects failing to materialize so far. She's not an authoritative figure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.180.190.54 (talk) 05:59, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Also, it seems that there's no mention of her book where the quote comes from in the citation source either. 85.197.178.80 (talk) 14:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Widely Regarded as GOAT? Please
I can understand if some ancient 50 year old+ gamers look back on this game and consider it the greatest game ever made, but when you insert the term "widely regarded", I'm sorry, you are far overreaching and I think for the integrity of this article it would be a good idea to change that language, because it is absolutely false.

Free Stars: Children of Infinity
Hello, here I want to discuss a recent topic - a new original Star Control game, that can be considered as sequel to Star Control 2, because it's from original creators (Paul and Fred).

I already seen an attempt to add this topic to the article, but because of well-known reasons it was rejected.

This well-known reasons are the relatable sources, which wasn't even added in that attempt. But we have some sources, including:

Official trailer on YouTube from GameSpot trailers

Official channel of Pistol Shrimp Games on YouTube with many interviews with Paul and Fred

Official Reddit page

Official Free Stars site

Articles on different sites, including time extension article, PC gamer article, Polygon article, Microsoft stars article

And a full article on Wikipdeia

I thought it would be good to add some information about Children of Infinity on this Wikipdeia page, that people know about the existence of a sequel and can go to a local Wikipedia article from a more general one - article about Star Control 2. Celtoi (talk) 03:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * There has been some questionable editing around this series, especially given the confusing intellectual property split. The issue isn't the content, but the lack of quality sources. The "Official" pages don't count for much. Wikipedia is built on WP:RELIABLE WP:INDEPENDENT sources, which means "Official" pages don't help us -- they are at a risk of being biased, promotional sources that may contribute unreliable or self-serving information. I haven't been keeping up to date on the new game, but if we're going to mention it at this page, then it has to be based on how reliable sources are describing the connection.
 * PC Gamer, Polygon (website), and GamesRadar+ are usually considered reliable and independent. So I would just be careful about summarizing them carefully and accurately, without bias. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)


 * GamesRadar+ has it at https://www.gamesradar.com/after-32-years-the-1992-open-world-space-game-that-helped-inspire-mass-effect-is-getting-a-proper-sequel/ and PC Gamer at https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/the-long-awaited-sequel-to-the-ur-quan-masters-hits-its-crowdfunding-target-in-less-than-four-hours-and-theyre-not-kidding-about-that-dollar44-million-stretch-goal/; are those acceptable as sources for restoring? --Mnalis (talk) 22:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I added information about "Children of Infinity", with link to main article on Wikipdeia. I hope that sources that I used are good and relatable. Celtoi (talk) 16:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)