Talk:Star Fleet Battles

NCL
I thought, and I could be wrong, that the Fed NCL in the game was based on the USS Reliant from The Wrath Of Khan. If so, the films have not been totally ignored as far as actual ship types go.TheChin! 22:04, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

19 Mar 05
The Federation NCL in SFB and the movie Reliant ships are paralell evolution. The truth is, the Kersarge-Class NCL has it's two warp engines mounted from a V pylon on the top of the impulse deck, but the SSD does leave the impression that they are mounted on the outer edges.

"Plus, Star Fleet Command decided to make their ships based of the Canon movie series instead of the original SFB style ships. Dunno why. They took liberties with the rest of the fleets in the game." Lucky Foot 18:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

To answer that: The original game license follows the one-off book published in the 70s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_Trek_Star_Fleet_Technical_Manual#UFP_Seal and could not be used for the video game. Wikipedia users sometimes do not understand that many publications related to Trek are not owned directly by Paramount and are each copywritten and treated separately.

Addendum: The unusual way of numbering the rules will be familiar to anyone in the US Military or any US Government branch. Until Clinton, all US Gov't publications were written this way.


 * Actually, that has nothing to do with the ship designs mentioned. The people who did Starfleet Command had licenses from both Paramount (which allowed them to use the movies-era designs) and ADB (which allowed them to use SFB's rules and background. The point of departure mentioned above is that they completely redesigned the look of the non-Paramount (i.e., ADB-created) races for the game (which their licenses would have allowed them to use verbatim, if they so choose). Presumably they decided that the normal designs wouldn't look good from the front and side perspectives normally seen in the game, instead of the top views you normally get in SFB. I don't really care for the directions they went in for some of it, but I'm pretty sure it's all a visual interest issue. --Rindis 16:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Star Fleet Battle Force
There is a debate as to whether Star Fleet Battle Force should be deleted. it would be helpful to get some input from various users about this game. please feel free to go to the article and to follow the link there to the deletion discussion, and, if you wish, to add some comments. --Steve, Sm8900 13:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Ship designs and game rules
As an original player of the game when it first came out, I was enthralled. As each of the three expansions came out to fill in the stuff that was missing, my friends and I were even more enthusiastic. However, with the advent of the commander's rulebooks and countless articles both official or otherwise, the game became less enjoyable. The worst was spending three hours listening to two rules lawyers dictate one obscure rule after another as they pulled magazine after rulebook after magazine from a SPORTS BAG! Talk about missing the point. When my friend and I decided to self-destruct to end the agony, one of them promptly pulled another rulebook out and quoted a rule that forbade us from doing so... AAAARRGHH!

I have since revamped the rules, stripped them down to their more basic elements, and added some goodies of my own. As far as the ships are concerned, the SSDs looked worse and worse with every new version/edition. So, I junked most of the old SSDs and did my own using AutoCAD. After making the SSDs look more like the ships they're supposed to represent and throwing out about 90% of the rules written for the game, my friends, after an almost 20-year hiatus are playing again with renewed vigor. I can't sell anything I've done or I'd get my ass sued.

As for the Reliant, I did a heavy cruiser version, complete with roll bar/weapons pod that would knock the socks off anything from the ADB. Also, some of the ships I've seen SSDs for are completely ridiculous. What was it?... the Klingon B-11 oxymoron battleship or something like that. Some people have made ships that make no sense whatsoever: A ship with over a dozen weapons, oodles of power, but only two hull boxes. I also have no room for unnecessary stupidity such as Light Command Battle Destroyer Leaders. Sheesh. Anyway, simpler rules makes for better tactics. I would rather defeat an opponent because I out-anticipated him rather than because I could remember more rules than he could. The dice already add a sufficient level of randomness to the game that gives it re-playability.

Eddie baby —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.228.110.46 (talk) 16:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Primary Sources template
I have removed the primary sources template. First, the primary sources requirement is marked as controversial and under review, so should probably not be applied. Also, this article list other sources where necessary, such as the Hall of Fame award. Other references could not possibly include secondary sources as the article refers to a game system with copyrighted information. The primary sources template should be used for historical and biographical articles, and would not apply in this case.

Iarann 19:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Universe logo.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:CommanderSFB.gif
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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 21:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Major part of the game missing.
I don't see any SSDs in this article, a serious oversight. if anyone regularly looks after this page you should at one or two. If no one does in the next little while I will do so. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 02:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * "And third, each ship has a display of systems (a Ship Systems Display, or SSD) that acts as a schematic diagram of a particular ship in play. Each class in the game has an individualized SSD, and most expansions revolve around providing new classes and 'variants' of ships to the game, with new SSDs. These displays consist of check-off boxes for all the ship's structure and systems (shields in all six directions, systems and hull damage, how much power the engines produce, how many transporters there are, etc. checked off when damaged) in the general layout of the ship, along with general reference information for that ship (tracks to check off use for weapons in limited supply like drones, shuttles, probes, plus weapons fire resolution tables, firing arcs, and miscellaneous ship data)."

It's been over ten years and this article has photos of the board markers for the ships, but still doesn't have any Ship System Display examples. This is why I don't bother referencing Wikipedia anymore, it's gone down the drain. Anyone could have taken a photo of a sheet, or assumed a copy was a photo, but no, as stated above there is no game without the schematic diagram of the ships in the battles, and this is sorely missing from the article. 24.78.228.96 (talk) 08:52, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Removed Warbird Reference
I removed the reference to the Romulan ship name "warbird" originating in the star Fleet Universe. The trem predates the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.221.15.98 (talk) 17:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure? I know for a fact it was used in SFB long before it was used on screen (TNG). Was the term used offscreen before then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.173.218.223 (talk) 17:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * As I recall, ST never used the term before TNG. The story I remember seeing (which is probably in an issue of Nexus buried in storage...) is that SVC and Zocchi came up with War Bird as the name of the Romulan ship during a phone conversation ca. 1976. --Rindis (talk) 18:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The phrase "war bird" was not used in the original series. In the episode that introduced the Romulans, "Balance of Terror," the character Stiles mentions that Romulan ships are painted like a giant bird of prey. That's as close as it gets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.135.206 (talk) 21:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Nexus magazine links to wrong magazine
FYI In the section for the Commanders Edition there is a link to a WP article for Nexus Magazine. This is not the Nexus magazine formerly published by Task Force Games. This magazine is an Australian-based alternative news magazine. Note that the citation I put in links to a page at Board Game Geek that presents an image of the cover of the correct Nexus magazine.Wikkileaker (talk) 22:04, 13 December 2016 (UTC)