Talk:Star Trek/Archive 5

Star Trek: TAS not canon?
I noticed on the TAS page it states that Gene Roddenberry also requested soon before his death that the series not be considered canon Can this be supported with evidence? Mysteronald 23:24, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * One source is the book The Star Trek Chronology in which this was discussed. I don't know how "soon" before his death this actually occurred but it didn't become public knowledge until around the time he died. Roddenberry's attitude towards TAS and Treks V and VI have also been discussed at length by various writers for the show in online forums such as TrekBBS. 23skidoo 17:15, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Wait a sec. Admitedly, I've never seen any TAS, and V is well, V. but not only was VI good, it is essentially required to make the TOS TNG dichotomies work out right. without VI, TNG would have to be considered non-canon. Am I just drawing blanks, what?

Spot (Star Trek)
The article Spot (Star Trek) is currently up for VfD. Please see the VfD Discussion page to either help keep or delete the page. --[[User:Allyunion|AllyUnion (Talk)]] 06:03, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The Kiss
It's entirely possible that they have inserted the "kiss shown" version in newer broadcasts of the show. But the original broadcast had it blocked, according to the IMDB and other sources I've read. But I WAS wrong; I said it was Kirk's head, it was actually Uhura's. Relevant passages from the IMDB:


 * The first interracial kiss on American network television was in the episode "Plato's Stepchildren," which aired on 22 Nov 1968, when Captain Kirk ( William Shatner) kissed Lieutenant Uhura ( Nichelle Nichols). The studio expressed some concern, and it was suggested instead that Spock should kiss Uhura 'to make it less of a problem for the southern [US] audience'. Some stations in the South originally refused to air the episode. Kirk did not kiss Uhura *voluntarily*; they were forced to do it by aliens controlling their bodies. So the first interracial kiss, although between two of the good guys, was the moral equivalent of sexual assault.


 * Despite the controversy of the first interracial kiss of Kirk and Uhura on television in the episode "Plato's Stepchildren," they never actually kissed on-screen - Kirk turns away from the camera as they draw closer keeping Uhura in front of him, obscuring the fact that their lips stay an inch or so apart.

They could be wrong. --Golbez 14:36, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)


 * Make no mistake about it, in many, many interviews and books, Mr. Shatner has admitted that he had, up to that point, wanted to kiss Ms. Nichols on screen. --AllyUnion 13:26, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Star Trek
Just started the above page. Please leave your comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Star Trek.--StAkAr Karnak 03:00, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Star Trek Science subsection
What happened here? All that's left is one line saying "You can't have Star Trek without the science." That's pretty useless on its own -- has something been cut that shouldn't have been? 23skidoo 17:04, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Added by User:Roberto1221 on 23 Nov 2004. Seems to me a new user who added that portion of the article, left unnoticed until now. --[[User:AllyUnion|AllyUnion (talk)]] 07:13, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

sense?
Hi - I'm agreeing with the post directly above. The sentence below is just nonsense and I'll remove it after checking back in a bit. I would like to to note that in terms either of technology or science, star trek is rather silly. I really do defy anyone to dispute that. Perhaps that is what the person who wrote that sentence was trying to say? In which case, I would disagree. We all like star trek because it portrays a vision of the future in which everyone tris to be the best person that they can; with cool spaceships to help them! Thats why they call it a fantasy!

Star Trek Science

Any decent Star Trek fan should know that even with technology you wouldn't get Star Trek without the science.


 * Ah... Usenet Star Trek debates come to Wikipedia.... ;-) func (talk) 19:09, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Images
Do we have permission to use the images that are in this article? They all seem to be a giant copyvio to me. Spinboy 18:12, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Star Trek Technology
I removed this section from the article:


 * In every episode of Star Trek some sort of technology from the shows period is used. The Technology is a important part of Star Trek, without it Star Trek would not be as popular as it is today. The most prominant piece of technolgy is probably the Warp Drive, the Starships of Star Trek use the Warp Drive to get around the Galaxy.

The above is not written in an encyclopedic manner. It suggests a POV, and doesn't really say anything coeherent. I believe there is a place for a technology section, (even a whole separate article), but the above is not a good way to go about it. This is a wikipedia featured article, and I think we need to strive for a certain level of encyclopedic quality and NPOV. func (talk) 19:20, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Enterprise NPOV
This is the last paragraph from the section on Enterprise. It seemed a bit one-sided and POV to me, so I altered it a bit.

From:  Enterprise is highly unpopular with many diehard fans, due to its blatant disregard for continuity or adherence to the technical/physical limitations put into place by previous Star Trek'' series/movies. This has improved somewhat with Manny Coto coming in as co-executive producer, but the series' poor reputation still seems to stifle ratings.''

To:  Enterprise has been highly unpopular with many diehard fans, due to their perception of blatant disregard for continuity or adherence to the technical and physical limitations put into place by previous Star Trek'' series and movies in the current series. This situation has improved somewhat with Manny Coto coming in as co-executive producer, but the series' poor reputation with these fans still continues to stifle ratings.'' Ttownfeen 11:12, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * I felt it could still be a bit more NPOV so I have edited it further. An earlier version IIRC made reference to the ratings woes being due partly to UPN's own difficulties, and I have restored this. The thing is a lot of people like ENT and a lot of people hate it, and we have to be careful that no agenda on either side wins out. Words like "blatant" for example are loaded words, IMO, plus it's important to note that such accusations of continuity violations are disputed by those who support the show (check out the rebuttals in the Star Trek: Enterprise alleged continuity problems article). Not to harp on ENT specifically - I've also found myself fixing for NPOV when it comes to statements made regarding Voyager and DS9 as well. 23skidoo 19:42, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Your version sounds much better. Ttownfeen 00:37, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)