Talk:Stark Brothers Nurseries and Orchards

Requested move 01 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per discussion and consistency with policies such as WP:TRADEMARK and the research provided by Wbm1058. (non-admin closure) Tiggerjay (talk) 02:24, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Stark Brothers Nurseries and Orchards → Stark Bro's Nurseries & Orchards Co. – current company name is incorrect – Pomologist (talk) 20:38, 1 December 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Biblio worm  21:06, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:30, 2 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Do we include "Co."?
 * The firm's website http://www.starkbros.com/ now shows merely "STARK Bro's" with the "Bro's" in a fancy curly font. Do we treat that form of its name as official spelling or merely as an advertisory stylization?
 * Oppose. Other than being appalling English (what on earth does "Bro's" mean?) we generally do not fill article titles with abbreviations and do not pander to marketing gimmicks. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:50, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME. 45 Google News results vs. 5 . Zarcadia (talk) 17:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * At 06:34, 27 July 2008‎ moved Stark Bro's Nurseries and Orchards to Stark Brothers Nurseries and Orchards, no rationale given; this talk page wasn't started until 3 June 2013. So if no consensus here, then default is to revert undiscussed move? Oh, I see that's the same day that Richard started this article, and he moved it a couple of times that day before settling on this title. Wbm1058 (talk) 17:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Per Naming conventions (companies), the legal status suffix of a company is not normally included in the article title, so I would not include "Co." - Wbm1058 (talk) 17:43, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Dictionary defs.: Bros. or bros. is an abbreviation of brothers, often used in part of a company name (though more often 100 years ago, I think). The apostrophe is simply the possessive form, indicating that the Nurseries and Orchards belong to the bros.
 * Given Bros is plural, the possessive form should be Bros'! As I said, it's bad English. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:58, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Move to Stark Bros. Nurseries and Orchards, in deference to the company's preferred form of "brothers", which will be the most common usage. – Wbm1058 (talk) 18:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC) there should be a period at the end as this is an abbreviation; leaving the period off is arguably stylization. and I'm not sure about the apostrophe. Brother's or bro's implies the possession of just one of the brothers, while brothers' or bros' implies something that they all possess jointly. Wbm1058 (talk) 18:14, 10 December 2015 (UTC) The more I look at this, the more inclined I am to just default to leaving it as-is, at the long-standing title. Necrothesp makes a reasonable point; it seems their name uses slang: bro. Wbm1058 (talk) 18:42, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no preference, even a Google search proved difficult to find their actual website, not knowing how it was spelled. Then even after I wrote it, I couldn't find the article in Wikipedia when I looked for it, because of the unorthodox orthography. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 19:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Our "newspaper of reference" called them Stark Brothers in 1991 "Stark Brothers Nursery" or "STARK BROTHERS NURSERIES AND ORCHARDS", and I don't find a compelling need to change that. Wbm1058 (talk) 12:29, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. WP:TRADEMARK actually recommends against using decorative characters, and the unnecessary and grammatically incorrect apostrophe would qualify here. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:53, 11 December 2015 (UTC)


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