Talk:Starscream

Robots in Disguise
It is a valid point that RiD is notable as a series which lacks a Starscream. However, we do not need to create a section to SAY that - merely by NOT including it, the fact is made obvious.

As to Smokejumper, however, I cannot agree that he warrants a mention simply because he shares a mould with Starscream. This page is about Starscream, and Smokejumper is not Starscream - who the toy may once have been is irrelevant. Perhaps if there was something else of substance worth writing about for RiD, then this could be casually mentioned amdist it, but to create an entire sub-section on the page for such a tangentically-related trifling is silly. You don't see all the other Seekers specifically listed because they share a mould with Starscream, do you? When a toy is a repaint of an EXISTING figure, mention it, because it's worth it (example: mentioning that BW II BB and Starscream are repaints of G2 Dreadwing and Smokescreen). When a toy GOES ON to be repainted into a DIFFERENT character, it's NOT, so it doesn't usually need to be mentioned on the original character's article, y'get me? Especially not when it's the only point there is to make in an entire sub-header. Case in point: Smokejumper. He is his own character, and other characters should be covered in their OWN articles, linking back to Starscream where relevant.

EDIT: I've made a "Dreadwing" page to cover the Dreadwinds, Darkwings, Dreadwings and their buddies out there, which is the perfect place to include Smokejumper.

Tech Spec
Couldn't help but notice that the article has Screamer's tech specs now. Doesn't this goe against the wikipedia copyright rules? --15:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)SMegatron
 * I don't think there is a policy against mentioning the 8 numbers, just in copying down the full paragraph of text without putting it in your own words. user:mathewignash
 * Tech specs are the property of its creators and cannot be reproduced without their consent. --Madchester 22:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * TECH SPECs are property, this is just mentioning a couple numbers, not copying the whole spec. for the text of the article, people put it in their own words, but it's hard to put 8 numerical digits in your own words. user:mathewignash

Unicron Trilogy disambiguation page
Well, anyone with me?

Honestly not sure. I don't think it has enough to warrant a separate article, but then I said that about Unicron Trilogy Megs and I was wrong there. Maybe if it was put to a vote?SMegatron 19:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, this page does come to 14 pages printed on my printer. Could be smaller. What were there? 3 Starscreams? The first was G1, G2 and Machine Wars the BW Spark that possessed Waspinator, the second is Beast Wars Japan (later Hellscream), the third is UT. If you do break it down maybe all three would be appropriate. Not that Beast Wars Japan Starscream was major, but who do you stick him with? He's a unique character to the others. user:mathewignash

The more I think about it, the more I like it. The Screamer article is just going to get longer - there's the parallel universe versions of Starscream thrown up by Evolutions to put in, and Infiltration Starscream (probably) isn't dead. Plus the movie version will have to be put in when it comes out. So maybe moving it now is better. Also, its not like we couldn't expand Uni Starscream any further - I've been wanting to expand the Dreamwave Comics section for a while, but never got round to it. Now though...SMegatron 10:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

One thing though. If we do move it to a new page, could we fix all the redirects on the other articles? I went on a rampage doing exactly that for links relating to the RiD and Unicron Trilogy Prime and Megs articles and I really don't want to again.

EDIT-woops, that was me.SMegatron 20:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Last Words
I'm not really sure how relevant this is but I believe I've seen similar mentions on some of the other pages. Anyway in the Beast Wars Episode Possession Starscream gets his last lines in the original Transformers continuity. They're rather interesting in my opinion; "I'll be back! Even if it takes a thousand years, I'll be revenged on you all." While the thousand years portion of the line was likely included as foreshadowing in the event it was decided that the series was set on an ancient earth, which it eventually was, there was another possible reference that I noticed. Starscream's final lines are in notably archaic terms, a departure from his previous speech patterns in the episode. Just as Dinobot seemed to have a taste for Hamlet, Starscream might have been alluding to one of Shakespeare's plays, namely Twelfth Night. In the play the steward Malvolio seeks to raise his social status by marrying the lady Olivia, an aspiration that seems akin to the Deception's own ambitions. Having been tricked and humiliated, just as Starscream has by the end of the episode, Malvolio, unable to find true compensation for his suffering, storms out of the room and the play. His final lines are "I'll be revenged on the whole pack of you." I'm more than willing to accept that this is just coincidence/I'm reading too far into this but I thought I'd throw it out there in case anybody found it interesting or relevant. 69.117.57.73 07:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

It's entirely possible, having read said play not all that long ago, that the writers had this in mind when writing the scene (and Dinobot's last words on his page do actually have a link to the Hamlet page). However, I'm not sure its relevant enough to be put on the page. Thoughts?SMegatron 20:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Big Horn
"Starscream and BB packaged together, and also in a pack with the Maximal Big Horn." May I suggest an article describing "Big Horn" in the context of the transformer toys, since the link points to a mountain. --> Big Horn (Transformers) see Battle Beasts and Big Horn icon Kgrr 16:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

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Movie treachery?
Did Starscream really fire upon Megatron as a disguised F-22? After all, after transforming for the last time, he had two F-22s tailing him and one ahead! Darth Sidious 23:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he does. The 3 writers acknowledged it at a convention, and one of the ILM people also acknowledged it in an interview. The writers said that it will come into play (along with the missing Barricade) in the next movie. Watch the movie frame by frame, and it is as obvious as the nose on Ray Romano's face. webzpinner —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.222.223 (talk) 17:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

2007 movie: movie plot
From article: <> Humm, your source please? Unless you're right and you have a Cybertronian-English dictionary (which I strongly doubt), we will have to wait until the sequel to know exactly what he said (or we may never know). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.37.34.247 (talk) 00:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Recent changes
The reasons I reverted the changed include: Any other opinions on this? Mathewignash (talk) 22:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Main section should include ONLY the info on the G1 and later Starscream, moving all his info into that section (including the infobox), and other headers considering other Starscream.
 * I disagree with putting information on the toy's origin in the header, it should be in the section marked "Toys"

I took the "Transformers the Movie" section and moved it to fit between the descriptions of Starscream's actions in the first two seasons of the Transformers animated show (1980s) and his later appearances as a ghost in season 3. This was my second attempt to do this, the first involved mistakenly removing the text of that section completely. Oops! Dale Husband 20:59, 30 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seeker alpha806 (talk • contribs)

2007 Film
I am curious to know why there is no mentioning of the 2007 Transformers live action film in this article. There are also no images of the live action movie version of Starscream. Did somebody magically erase it without any bot or administrator noticing it? Or if it was removed for a valid reason, why? Seb0910 (talk) 15:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * This page is for the original Starscream. There are several different Starscreams who are on a second page. For the movie Starscream character you should see the article here: Starscream_(other_incarnations) Mathewignash (talk) 01:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree, this is just stupid. They are all Starscreams and i don't see why you need separate pages to introduce the many versions of him. Creating more pages on different Starscreams like this is only a pain to read. if the reason of you doing it is trying to make it shorter, cut down on things such as spoilers on each versions' storylines or create things like, a page that is only about toys. What you have done is a pain to read and that "Other Incarnations" of Starscream is too short and an extremely lousy job, as its length would make people ignore them. What you have done imho is trying to negate all other Starscreams, and, in a sense, vandalism to your own likings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.251.163 (talk) 20:28, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you disagee with splitting the article, feel free to propose specific edits you think would improve the page. Perhaps even get an account and use your talk page to talk politily with people on Wikipedia. Thanks for the input. Mathewignash (talk) 00:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Fictional Sharks?
Why is he in that category? I don't recall any Starscream transforming into a shark. Or is this vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.133.184 (talk) 07:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Starscream frmo Beast Wars Second turned into a cybernetic shark, but he is now on a seperate page called Starscream (other incarnations). Mathewignash (talk) 10:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Kiss Players section references the future as the past
The line:
 * "Set in 2006 (one year after Starscream's death in The Transformers: The Movie, but four years before the third season of the show, which in Japan occurred in 2010)"

is very confusing, given the current date is July 2009. What's this supposed to be? --Codesleuth (talk) 09:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was consensus against move looking at all three move requests together. The articles are about the characters in the Transformers universe as a whole and includes details on both G1 and other incarnations such as Beast Wars. The disambiguator appears unnecessary to clear up any confusion against other articles. Of course, (hatnotes should be placed for the articles discussing particular incarnations.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:59, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Move request
Starscream → Starscream (G1) &mdash; The G1 incarnations of Optimus Prime, Megatron and Starscream are the original versions of the characters and were the inspiration behind all their other incarnations. In addition, they are thought of by many fans to be the "real" versions of the characters. However, they are by no means the "definitive" versions as the non-suffixed article names imply, due to the large relative success and arguably equal importance of Transformers universes succeeding G1, among other factors. If someone says "G1 Prime is THE Optimus Prime", that is an opinion, not a fact. The non-suffixed names linking to the G1 versions of the characters inadvertently gives the impression that Wikipedia is biased towards G1 as the "superior" and "main" Transformers canon, which not only opposes Wikipedia's neutral point of view but also would probably be frowned upon by fans of Beast Wars, the live-action movies and the like. In my opinion, in order to remove G1 bias, the names (without any suffix) should link to disambiguation pages linking to the G1 versions, any other versions (such as Beast Wars Megatron), and an "other incarnations" page listing all the minor incarnations of the characters.--172.165.156.112 (talk) 13:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose this is not soley a G1 article, and "G1" is a horrible disambiguator. 76.66.194.17 (talk) 06:11, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose Unnecessary and a bad article title. Mathewignash (talk) 11:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
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Merge
These three articles need to be excessively cut down and merged together to actually form a semi-decent article. Plot mentions will be cut to the basic minimum or just cut entirely if the appearance really isn't noteworthy, or if the incarnation of the character is already covered within a character list for that specific series. The specific toys will be removed entirely. One single section detailing the history of the toys will be enough. Afterward, development, reception, and "popular culture" information can be found for the character. TTN (talk) 16:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I do see it to be a bit pointless at this time and therefore are against the notion. Fractyl (talk) 03:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I support the notion, as well as the same actions for the Optimus Prime and Megatron articles. So far, the undisambiguated names link to the G1 versions of the characters, which are by no means the "main" versions of the characters (from a NPOV, there are NO "main" versions of Transformers characters). The G1 articles need pruning anyway, and this would possibly make them short enough to merge them with the additional sections. I would support not having individual pages for separate versions of Transformers. In addition, listing all the individual toys isn't something you'd really do in a mainstream encyclopedia. --Eh! Steve (talk) 14:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Against, espectiall after the butcher job I saw. It was not even accurate, claiming things in it's opening paragraph that was untrue, it was obviously written by someone who knew little about the subject. Mathewignash (talk) 19:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The attempted hatchet job on this article was very poorly done, and needed input from people who know the subject. I recomend making suggestions, and change one section at a time, letting other people have input, rather than rewriting the whole artice by yourself and forxing it on others. Mathewignash (talk) 19:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * For instance I would debate removing the appearances of Starscream in other media, because it proves that Starscream is part of the culture, notable outside the medium of the Transformers itself. It proves notability of the character for inclusing in Wikipedia. Mathewignash (talk) 19:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I had meant to say "generally" instead of "always", but other than that, what have I gotten wrong? The only other thing I've done is trim and rearrange information, which needs to be done. As for letting people know, you are the only one who seems to care about these poorly managed articles, and I'm certainly not going to ask you for permission to trim information. The "Other appearances" section is complete trivia. We do not collect things like minor Robot Chicken and Family Guy references, as they are completely useless to articles such as these. TTN (talk) 19:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * As I said it proves notability outside the medium, that's one of the most important things about an article. How about the idea that he always tried to take over to overthrow Megatron? The Beast Wars Second and Shattered Glass Starscreams did not. I think you CAN trim a lot of plot. It's bloated. Please do so, I will too. However you should also note you violated the established style of the article we made at the Transformers Wikipedia Project. If you want to chnage it, I suggest you propose a change in the style and let the project approve it. Mathewignash (talk) 20:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it does not; it is mainly filler information. You need real, substantial information from sources to prove notability. I was going to say such things should never be included, but looking at our featured character articles, I guess such references are acceptable. They can stay, but they need to be rewritten. As I said, I had meant to just meant to have that as the most common description of the character, rather than the constant description of the character, because a single sentence does not make a good lead. As for style, the Wikiproject is way, way off; this is a giant mess that made it hard for me to even understand it at first. The proper format is characterization, role or appearances, creation, reception and/or popular culture, and other minor sections is some order. See our featured character articles for reference. TTN (talk) 20:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If you could PLEASE make notes on the Wikiproject page so we can improve it then. I just follow it's guidelines. If they are wrong, then fixing them will help everyone write better articles. Proper guidelines in the wikiproject would be very helpful and aid in avoiding problems in the future. Mathewignash (talk) 20:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I really don't see that doing much of anything. The project has had only thirteen edits within almost nine months, so that pretty much signifies that it is dead. Also, you really seem to be the only one who is really active in it. It would be best to look into related projects and just look at good and featured character articles for examples. Whatever the case, most of these articles need to be merged, and the important ones like this need to be trimmed and reformatted to look more like the characters listed here. TTN (talk) 20:27, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

My gripe is with this and the other Transformers articles themselves. I reworked most of the Megatron article in my sandbox and tried to get Mathewignash to look over it as they were the one reverted my previous attempts to improve these train wrecks that everybody's calling articles. Yet, they have ignored my request. The only time they have spoken to me on the issue is after their revert to complain about it. I still have the my Megatron changes in my sandbox, but it still needs more sources and a strong lead. I really need some thoughts on that work. Sarujo (talk) 21:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I didn't see these proposed changes. Please link me to them. Thanks! Mathewignash (talk) 22:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Can someone proof this page please? Poor english (no offence intended, however...)
Prime example below:

"After the war in Autobot City Starscream took out the damaged Decepticons out in space including Megatron. On Starcream's ceremony Galvatron came and killed Starcream into shreads."

Could read:

"After the battle at Autobot City, while escaping in Astrotrain's shuttle form, Starscream threw out into space the wounded Decepticons, including the Decepticon leader Megatron. Starscream took power of the decepticons and, during his coronation, Starscream was obliterated by the newly formed Galvatron." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.240.83.3 (talk) 19:12, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal for Starscream
I feel it is unnecessary that this character has separate articles for Starscream (Unicron Trilogy). It is full of fancruft, badly sourced fansites and plot summary it would be better to for them to be redirected to the main article as it's about the same character and there is innsufficent independent information that the different incarnations are notable or distinct enough to have their own article. Dwanyewest (talk) 05:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose This article is almost 100 kilobytes long. If anything, we need to split off more stuff. --Divebomb (talk) 17:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC) Divebomb has been blocked as a sockpuppet.
 * Oppose, UT Starscream an independent character with 3 TV shows and 2 comic books who shares little with his namesake besides a name and being a red jet. Mathewignash (talk) 20:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment You forgot "being a Decepticon". --Divebomb (talk) 09:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe in the Armada series he joined the Autobots, and was honorable, which is why I left it out. He isn't like G1 Starscream. Mathewignash (talk) 23:48, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support per same rationale as Talk:Optimus Prime (Transformers).--137.122.49.102 (talk) 16:32, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 13:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Starscream (Transformers) → Starscream – Starscream the character is the primary topic. Starscream leads to a disambiguation page between this article and a minor nickname for a DJ used seemingly over only 2 years, 6 years ago. It is by far and away not the primary topic and certainly not something people are searching for when they search for Starscream. This page should be moved to Starscream since even if the nickname were applicable, you'd be searching for DJ Starscream, not Starscream. I'd just move it but I can't move over an existing page. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 16:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support as primary topic. Looks like the disambiguation page was used to link to articles about multiple incarnations of Starscream, but all these have been compressed into one. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 17:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Agree that the Transformers character is the primary topic. If this RM is successful a hatnote should be added to this article directed at the DJ's article. Jenks24 (talk) 00:45, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, per primary topic. GoodDay (talk) 18:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Support easy primary topic call. — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;•&thinsp;Contribs) 21:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
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Clarification for Prime Starscream
At the end of the section for the Starscream of Transformers: Prime it says he is the most likely to join the Autobots by default. I think whoever wrote this was confused from the episode "Grill." While Starscream is "the most likely Decepticon to help by default," it's Dreadwing who is the one most likely to change and become an Autobot. Scorpy (talk) 04:42, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup Request
This article contains excessively detailed plot. The paragraphs are very large and the article can be summarized quite a bit. Additionally, several paragraphs are far too long to be read comfortably, and spacing needs to be improved. I'm tagging the article for cleanup. Brandon Dusseau (talk) 05:13, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I am going to attempt a major rewrite of this article over the weekend, including major trimming, unless anyone objects. —Torchiest talkedits 21:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You like a challenge, huh - yes, the descriptions of his fictional depictions are huge compared to those of the toys and the character's origins. It is all too common in TF articles, unfortunately. BOZ (talk) 01:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Someone had added 11 kilobytes of plot material, seemingly copy-pasted from a Transformers wiki, in spring 2013. I removed the copy-pasted text. J I P  &#124; Talk 10:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Major cleanup and copyedit
I found that the article was mostly un-sourced, had extreme amount of detail that would not interest a wiki reader, and there are lot of references to blogs. Some of the content might have been copyvio too. After cleanup and copy edit I have put citation needed tags and also tagged the article for citations. I have searched for references and completed bare urls. This has been done evenly across past 13 days and ~70 edits with intervening edits by few other editors. I may do a little more restructuring. I would appreciate if someone can review them. Thank you. (This message is copied on WP:WikiProject Transformers page also).--AmritasyaPutra T 15:35, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I have removed GOCEinuse and marking it complete. Cumulative diff of 80 edits over past 16 days: link. Few intermediate edits towards the cleanup/copy-edit by two other editors too. Thank you. --AmritasyaPutra T 02:55, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Article Style
So does anyone know why Starscream's page is so different from all the other ones? Most of the Transformers character articles seem to be divided up into the different franchises, as opposed to Animated Series, Comics, etc. OptimusMagnus (talk) 05:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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Cyberverse
We should totally add his appearance in Cyberverse.(107.77.231.32 (talk) 22:56, 13 October 2020 (UTC))