Talk:Start It Up (Shake It Up)

name confusion and primary usage or not
There is messed up page history and Talk pages here, i think because of cut-and-paste moves to insert a new article about a TV episode, where an article about a song had existed. The moves were not done properly because the page history of the TV episode article shows all the previous article development. I think a Requested Move should have been done, rather than any move being initiated, because common sense tells me that a single TV episode, no matter how widely watched, does not instantly become primary usage for a common phrase like "Start it up". And quick Google searching shows that the song seems to get more usage in current American google perspective.

The TV episode article is nominated at DYK, but I think the article name and page history needs to be fixed before a DYK could be accepted. Can the TV episode info be moved to "Start It Up (television episode)" or some other more precise name? Please don't just move this article until an administrator can fix up the page history situation. --Doncram (talk) 15:34, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:04, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Start It Up → Start It Up (television episode) Amended: Start It Up → Start It Up (Shake It Up) — Request administrative help to fix improperly moved article and restore edit history to older article about a song. New article about a television episode should be put at "Start It Up (television episode)" or other unambiguous name, as it appears not to meet wp:PRIMARYUSAGE for the term. Song article could be restored at "Start It Up" (as it is possibly wp:PRIMARYUSAGE, note Google search seems to support that) or moved to a "Start It Up (song)". The TV episode one is nominated for DYK but this needs to be cleaned up first. --Doncram (talk) 15:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I will support a move of the TV episode to Start It Up (Shake It Up) (TV articles usually if first articlespace is taken, then the name of series is used), but I believe Start It Up (song) should be kept there because it is not the only use for Start It Up. Candy  o32  - Happy New Year :) 19:41, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay that much is great, that would resolve the name for the article now under DYK.
 * About the song one, i think that could be addressed in a separate, properly formed Requested Move about it alone. I don't know if you can get this Requested Move to close somehow, in time for your DYK. --Doncram (talk) 19:58, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Even if it were, wouldn't this be 5x expansion? Candy  o32  - Happy New Year :) 23:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not about this Requested Move.


 * Hey, i'm going to assert there is consensus here for the move to Start It Up (Shake It Up) and for restoration of the song article at Start It Up, and for edit histories to be fixed. Candyo32, please allow this to be closed that way, partly so that your own DYK can be considered in time. Usually contested requested moves aren't considered for closing for 7 days to allow for comments.  If this is uncontested it could just be closed.  If u feel strongly about the song not deserving primaryusage, please plan to open a properly formed requested move about it, later, following instructions at wp:RM.  But there is consensus on move of the TV episode and no one could possibly oppose having the edit histories fixed. --Doncram (talk) 02:41, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's good. Candy  o32  - Happy New Year :) 02:58, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Update: To the administrator, please ignore or also now revert SarekOfVulcan's hatnote disambiguation. SarekOfVulcan's statement here that he doesn't disagree with the requested move fix, just that he's adding the to-be-unneeded hatnote disambiguation anyhow (readded after i explained and removed it, i don't understand why, it is just minor complication requiring it to be considered some now, and then removed).  Whatever.  There is no one disagreeing with the Requested Move fix. --Doncram (talk) 06:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * RMs usually are open for at least a week; the article should have a hatnote during that time. Powers T 15:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
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Requested move to "Shake It Up (pilot episode)"

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The result of the move request was: page moved to Start It Up (Shake It Up) per WP:NCTV. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:34, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Start It Up → Shake It Up (pilot episode) – This article was located at Start It Up (episode) until it was very rapidly moved on a technical request (without enough time for contesting it as controversial). A very confusing series of events, and regrettably not well documented. Reasoning to support the proposed move:
 * The name of the pilot for Shake It Up (TV series) is indeed "Start It Up", but this fact is so obscure that it is not even noted in that article (as I write).
 * An alternative like Start It Up (pilot) would misleadingly suggest a pilot for a series called "Start It Up".
 * The title "Start It Up" is most unlikely to be recognisable to many readers as associated with a TV series, let alone a pilot episode for a series with a different (and confusable) name.
 * Start It Up (song) had 5321 pageviews in the last 90 days.
 * The present article had just 419 + 2793 under the name Start It Up (Shake It Up) = 3212 pageviews in the last 90 days.
 * Therefore, if any topic is to be seen as "primary" for the title "Start It Up", it is likely to be that song and not this obscure pilot episode.
 * In the end, however, it is unhelpful artificially to promote some topic as primary, in this case. The most helpful arrangement for all readers (disadvantaging no one) seems to be as proposed here, with various redirects including Start It Up (episode), Shake It Up (pilot), and some others.

I hope all that is right. Let's document actions better in future! Amend the above details as necessary, please.

N oetica Tea? 06:22, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support—Now this one on the WP:RM list I just couldn't resist visiting. As a reader, I'd be profoundly irritated by this title. Tony   (talk)  06:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. I support disambiguating the article and turning Start It Up into a dab page, as it's clear there is no primary topic. However, the article should be titled Start It Up (Shake It Up) per WP:NC-TV. Jenks24 (talk) 11:49, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Move to Start It Up (Shake It Up) per Jenks24. As pointed out above, this is not the primary topic for the term and so disambiguation in some form is necessary. I think Start It Up (Shake It Up episode) would be clearest, but apparently the guideline considers this overly specific. In any case a disambiguation page should be created at Start It Up. Jafeluv (talk) 12:21, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support a move but it should go to Start It Up (episode) as was the original title. We don't need to tell a story in the title, Start It Up (Shake It Up episode) is excessive and Start It Up (Shake It Up) by itself is still a mystery to people who search for "start it up''. A disambig page should be created at Start It Up.  Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:51, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
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Ratings
So in the text it says that it was the 2nd biggest series premiere ever on Disney Channel, but it was the biggest not the 2nd... Hannah Montana premiered to 5.4 million viewers and Shake It Up premiered to 6.2 million viewers... Fansdisney (talk) 14:22, 17 October 2015 (UTC)