Talk:State of Palestine/Archive 20

Edit request
This page has fringe text. In particular the early history section appears to draw pn myth uncritically.

Text to change: The Exodus from Egypt, led by Moses, is a pivotal event in Jewish history, symbolizing deliverance from slavery and the return to their ancestral homeland.

New text: (empty)

The exodus didn't happen, and thus shouldn't be presented as history.

12.75.41.36 (talk) 03:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but they claim it did, thus is a pivotal moment in their history. Slatersteven (talk) 08:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Either way, I guess it is a misalignment issue because the primary article, The Exodus, calls it a founding myth, and this article calls it history, both using wiki-voice. This is probably not ideal. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * So we re-word it, such as "The Exodus from Egypt, led by Moses, is a pivotal event in Jewish mythology, symbolizing deliverance from slavery and the return to their ancestral homeland.". Slatersteven (talk) 09:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Doug Weller's solution works for me. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Thanks Doug for the Gordian (k)not.Nishidani (talk) 09:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks folks. That editor has real CIR issues.. No clue about reliable sources. Doug Weller  talk 10:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * +1 – the pre-modern content was never relevant in the first place. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Though the lead needs fixing/aligning too now. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I suggest an edit of adding “Late Ottomam Era” as the header for the first paragraph in History. 174.247.80.69 (talk) 23:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 May 2024
change country to state - Palestine is not an official country. Alamanara Alababur (talk) 12:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * see talk page archive. Slatersteven (talk) 12:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * See the article country to check your understanding of the word's meaning and usage. Sean.hoyland (talk) 13:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

country
While the State of Palestine is factually a partially recognized country, so is China, Taiwan, Kosovo, and (the State of) Israel. Yet, the lede of none of the above articles are being written as such; they are simply "a country". I feel that the first sentence of the lede should refer to the SoP as just "a country", but a sentence further down the paragraph could include "the State's limited international recognition by just 145/193 UN member states plus the Holy See" or something like that. (?) Josethewikier (talk) 21:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * that is to say I request to merge the 4th paragraph of the lede into the 1st is what could work. Josethewikier (talk) 21:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Typo in 5th sentence
Invaison should be invasion. The Nookster (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Slatersteven (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Updating lede sentence
As with Kosovo, the lede sentence should match in that "Palestine is a country ... with partial diplomatic recognition" as opposed to "Palestine is a partially recognized country ...". See Kosovo Etsaloto (talk) 23:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I second this. The sentence structure "...is a partially recognized country" implies or stresses that less than half of the countries in the world recognise Palestine, when this is far from the case (MW defines "partially" as "to some extent; in some degree"). If Taiwan (recognised by just around a dozen countries) is simply described as a "country" in the lede in its article, with its political status only mentioned at length several paragraphs down, why can't this be done for Palestine, whose diplomatic recognition is far more widespread? Yekshemesh (talk) 02:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 1 June 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Speedy close. Speedy close per SilverLocust and others. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 02:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

State of Palestine → Palestine – WP:COMMONNAME, and because this is what is done for almost every other state on Earth, such as the Federal Republic of Germany, the Republic of China, the People’s Republic of China, the United Mexican States, and the State of Israel. MountainDew20 (talk) 02:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, Palestine will have to be moved to Palestine (disambiguation). MountainDew20 (talk) 02:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree. State of Palestine according to pageviews.wmcloud.com is visited way more than the region and all the other things in the disambig page combined. 48JCL TALK  16:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment: This was last discussed 4–6 weeks ago in Talk:State of Palestine/Archive 19, which was closed on 29 April as not moved (i.e., consensus not to move). SilverLocust 💬 03:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Please close this RM per above. Selfstudier (talk) 08:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Closure requests shouldn't be directed at a particular user, but other editors can take your comment as a "&bull; Speedy close per SilverLocust". Personally, I wait for some comments before closing a repeat request as WP:SNOW, and I generally don't close an RM after making even a neutral comment. SilverLocust 💬 08:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake, I mixed you up with Selfstudier (talk) 08:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Procedural close Per above comments, this is just a waste of editor time. Selfstudier (talk) 08:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Yep, discussed closed and now asked again. Close this. Slatersteven (talk) 16:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Speedy close per SilverLocust. --Aldij (talk) 16:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Comma splice
Im new so i might be making a mistake (sorry if i do)

"Currently, the biggest challenges to the country include the Israeli occupation, partial blockade, restrictions on movement, Israeli settlements and settler violence, as well as an overall poor security situation."

In this sentence I think there is a comma splice. "and settler violence, as well as an overall poor security situation." Here you say "and" but also put a comma before "as well" as shown "settler violence, as well". I suggest to edit it and make it either a semi-colon or make it a new sentence. Just noticed it and thought I'd let yall know.

Thanks. Onm21 (talk) 17:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Much appreciated, but as well as an overall poor security situation isn't an independent clause, so this isn't a comma splice. Remsense  诉  18:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 June 2024
"the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, collectively known as the Palestinian territories — within the larger region of Palestine" this is a technical and geographical inaccuracy. the 2 palestinian states (governed by different governments) are within the region of Israel. Regardless of the political opinion, this is geographically inaccurate and may be misleading. Maleuser999 (talk) 15:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * ❌ – incorrect, see Palestine (region). Remsense  诉  15:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Unsubstantiated/potentially inaccurate sentence in main summary section
The final paragraph in the introduction summary section contains a sentence which reads: "Despite these challenges, the country remains one of the most highly-educated countries in the Arab world." I am unsure by what metric this is measured, as the Wikipedia article on education in the Arab world places Palestine around the middle of the pack as well as low internationally.

Perhaps it is my misunderstanding but please review and take the action you deem necessary. 76.244.42.200 (talk) 07:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Education in the Arab World is poorly sourced, and the table presented there is completely unsourced (we aren't even told what parameter the ranking refers too). That said, I agree that the claim here is also unsourced and a knowledgeable editor should look into it. — kashmīrī  TALK  08:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Treating your comment as an edit request to remove the relevant material on the basis that is is unsourced, I have done so. It's not in the education section or elsewhere in the article body that I can see. Selfstudier (talk) 11:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm glad action was taken, however now I have a different concern about the same section. There are two back-to-back sentences in the exact same place that contain grammatical errors.
 * "Unsolved remain the question of Palestine's borders..." – should be "remains" instead of "remain"
 * "Despite these challenges, the country, maintains an emerging economy, and sees frequent tourism." – need to remove extraneous commas. Should be corrected to "Despite these challenges, the country maintains an emerging economy and sees frequent tourism." 76.244.42.200 (talk) 00:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and made those fixes. Thank you for pointing them out - Antandrus (talk) 01:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)