Talk:Staten Island Railway

This article's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia. (June 2013)
What does this exactly mean? What can be done to fix this. I want to make this a really great page. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:17, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The editor who added the tags has a grand total of seven edits and hasn't edited since October 2013. They also didn't leave an edit summary explaining why they tagged this page, so if you feel the tags are no longer applicable, you should be safe to remove them. Conifer (talk ) 14:05, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:31, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

SIR run by NYCTA.
See relevant discussion elsewhere Talk:List of New York City Subway stations. – Live Rail    &lt; Talk &gt;  16:30, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have responded there. Epic Genius (talk) 18:47, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Previous copyright problem
introduced significant copyright violations into this article in April 2013, copying from George Drury's Historical Guide to North American Railroads:. This may be related to the tone issue referenced above. I've checked and it appears all the infringing text was removed through normal editing. Mackensen (talk) 02:45, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * All the prose may still need to be checked, though, to make sure all copyright violations are removed.. Epic Genius (talk) 19:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

New source
I've been reading the book "Staten Island Rapid Transit (Images of Rail)," by Marc Pitanza. The material in that book is worthy of source info for this article. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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A class status
Could some editors help improve my article to get it to qualify for A class status? Thanks. --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:06, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Here are the criteria: Very useful to readers. A fairly complete treatment of the subject. A non-expert in the subject would typically find nothing wanting. Expert knowledge may be needed to tweak the article, and style problems may need solving. Peer review may help. So maybe open up a peer review to get more feedback? epic genius (talk) 19:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Copyvios
I'm seeing entire sentences and paragraphs copied either verbatim or with very minor changes from multiple sources. [http://jcrhs.org/B&O.html Ref. 21] is particularly egregious, but I've also found copyvios from [https://books.google.com/books?id=qfZ0VxuLoc0C&printsec=copyright#v=onepage&q&f=false Ref. 7] and [http://thethirdrail.net/0201/sirt1.html Ref. 9].  please have a look at Close paraphrasing and Copying text from other sources. You can't copy-paste text from copyrighted sources, even if you make small changes to it; you need to write in your own words. This article will need to be substantially rewritten if it is to retain its GA status. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 02:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Could you please look at the following pages to help advise me on what needs to be changed specifically. I have fixed everything with the fist problematic source. My revisions are at User:Kew Gardens 613/sandbox. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:28, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Upon further investigation, nearly every single sentence in the History section is a verbatim or near-verbatim copy-paste from the cited source. I've had to roll back the section to the last version that does not contain copyvios, which was 02:04, 15 December 2014. Kew Gardens 613, I'm really sorry to have to do this to you. You've done a lot of good work in identifying good sources on this topic, but you can't assemble an article from individual sentences copied from copyrighted sources. I hope that you can rewrite this article and return it to GA status. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 06:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

New Sources
https://books.google.com/books?id=0ZRYAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=staten+island+railway&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEoQ6AEwCTiWAWoVChMIxICNk62RyQIVRJseCh1EAAuA#v=snippet&q=railroad%20staten&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=1xFtQGUUaxYC&pg=PA37&dq=staten+island+railway&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBWoVChMI6siXhKmRyQIVQyweCh1kYA0f#v=onepage&q=staten%20island%20railway&f=false --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 02:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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Use of Bommer
This has come up in Featured article candidates/Staten Island Railway/archive1, but I didn't want to clutter that discussion. The Google Document, described as "History of the Staten Island Railway by Ed Bommer through correspondence", amounts to a self-published source. Such sources are allowed, if the author is a recognized expert in his or her field. A good example within railroading is Thomas Taber. He was a well-known independent researcher and pro-railroading activist. He self-published three volumes of the Delaware, Lackawanna and Western Railroad which were reviewed in journals, are stocked in libraries, and are cited by other published authors.

I'm unfamiliar with Bommer. He's mentioned in the acknowledgements to the Arcadia Publishing book Staten Island Rapid Transit. That's a strong recommendation, although the author, Marc Pitanza, is not (so far as I know) a recognized expert in the field either. The source itself, a Google Doc based on correspondence between Bommer and an unidentified third party, is difficult to verify. What else do we know? Mackensen (talk) 01:46, 28 April 2018 (UTC)


 * He has also written for the Sentinel, a publication of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad Historical society.
 * http://www.industrialarchaeology.net/sian/images/sianv33/sianv331.pdf
 * https://www.borhs.org/magazine/unprotected/eSentinellow20121Q.pdf
 * --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:21, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * https://archive.org/stream/BO_Modeler_V6_N4_2010_JulyAug#page/n1/mode/2up
 * --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:34, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Concerning Pitanza, he had an article published in the December 2006 issue of Railpace News Magazine. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rail-Pace-News-Magazine-2006-December-Railpace-NS-F7s-Staten-isaldn-Rail-Parkers-/332605982247 Also, according to the back cover of the book "Since 2009, he has lectured extensively on the line and now presents a visual tour using images from the collections of New York's best rail photogrophers."
 * --Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:51, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * He has done a lot of railroad modeling work. The quality of his work is exemplified as it is used in the ARLINGTON COUNTY REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION FORM.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:03, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * There has been no response.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 00:59, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on these, I wouldn't worry about this article passing a source review if it is re-nominated for featured status. epicgenius (talk) 01:51, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Six 24/7 mass-transit rail lines
..."and is one of only six 24/7 mass-transit rail lines in the United States; the others are the PATCO Speedline, the Red and Blue Lines of the Chicago "L", the PATH lines and the New York City Subway." So, a part of the Chicago "L" is counted as two lines, but the whole NYC Subway is counted as one. Is that correct? Vcohen (talk) 20:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't believe I never realized that error.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 20:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

"Blue Line (Staten Island Railway)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Blue Line (New York Staten Island Railway)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Ballpark
Shouldn't Ballpark be listen in the main line station page as it was rebuilt as part of the mainline? 2600:4040:9C71:F300:391E:C3D6:C2A5:295B (talk) 21:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


 * It's not on the main line, but the stub remnant of the former North Shore Branch. The connection between that and the main line is a wye, so trains could go directly to it from the main line, but trains can't go to both the Ballpark and St George stations without reversing directions. oknazevad (talk) 02:23, 6 May 2023 (UTC)