Talk:Status of a Shi'a Imam

This needs to be expanded to included the status of imams, what extra ordinary things they can and can not do, expand on the quran referens and included critique of the shia idea that iamamat is higher than nabi or rasul. Also, Nabi and Rasul need to be made to articles rather than redirects to included the shia meaning of the words. --Striver 14:59, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Salam..This is a piece of Shia philosophy, not a part of Shiite beliefs in general. Some accept it and probably most reject it or dont even know about it {adherants}, however none of it is incorporated into the mainstram Shiite belief as far as i know, Most books fail to mention such beliefs and thereby even indirectly indicating its philosophy that hasnt been finalized or something else. Some scholars believe Ali (a), Hassan (a) and Hussayn (a) exclusively to be higher than all Prophets aside from Mohammad (s) So im not quite sure about this, ive read absolutely nothing in any Shia book written by a scholar about this as of yet. Correct me if im wrong by all means..--Paradoxic 19:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Wa aleikom as salam! I regard you more knowledgeble than me in this topic, and if you propose any changes for the article name, or changes for the article it self, i have no problem with that, as long as you are confident about you having a solid base of knowledge. however, i hope that the things mentioned in the article will remain mentioned and elaborated on, in one way or another. I have heard the arguments i have listed many many times, but i have no idea of how the "elit" marjas and such regard them, only that they are common in Shia books and reasoning. Peace! --Striver 19:18, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Well what Shia books speak about them? Are these written by Marja's or ordinairy people? and if theyve simply been explained by ordinairy people how is it that this article is in the "Shia Beliefs" section since this is about core-beliefs of the shia? As far as im aware, Scholars such as Allamah Muhammad Rida al Muzaffar, wich wrote a thorough modern explenation on Shia beliefs hasnt mentioned this concept in his "Faith of Shia Islam" I also dont recall reading about it in  books such as "Commentary on the Holy Quran" by SV. Mir Ahmed Ali [special notes by Ayatollah aqha haji mirza Mahdi Puya yazdi, revised and edited by Hojjatol eslam Maulana seyyed shamim us sibtain Rizvi] or in the book "Analysys of the History of Aale Mohammad" by the historian Qadi Bohlool Bahjad Afandi. So im not sure it should be in this page.. --Paradoxic 13:46, 7 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Correction made first post

Merge to Shi'a Imam
This ought to merged into Shi'a Imam. This is not worthy of a separate article. joturner 23:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I created this. Go ahead and merge. --Striver 17:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)