Talk:Stay (Rihanna song)/Archive 1

Belgium certification
Can someone add the belgian certification? source: http://www.ultratop.be/nl/certifications.asp?year=2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JLeemans1 (talk • contribs) 16:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Notability
The only thing about this song is that its sung by Rihanna. Its never been announced as a single, no music video, no charting, no controversy. So, I fail to see the purpose of this article. --68.248.73.238 (talk) 05:06, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Live performances have made it notable enough. Lots of articles haven't charted, have no music video, not controversy and are in main space. AARON &bull; TALK   11:11, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Only if there for songs by Rihanna or Beyonce. Case in point two wrongs don't make a right. They should all be redirected.--68.248.73.238 (talk) 23:42, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No, several J Lo articles do too. No they shouldn't all be redirected. You don't know what you're talking about. AARON &bull; TALK   16:17, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Stay is the next single.
Released on 7 January 2013. Till 12:22, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's already in the article lol AARON &bull; TALK   13:01, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahaha I didn't even realise! Lol Till 03:42, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Tomica
I've been told to come on talk pages to discuss my issues with certain users so here I am. I feel that the user Tomica is editing for editing sakes to be honest. Every time another user makes an edit to this page (amongst others) he feels the need to overdo it, as he is overprotective of pages in my opinion. For example, I myself made this edit today and I find the edit made after rude, offensive and extremely unnessacary. First off, I find it extremely rude his explanation of "fixing mess" when I spent my own time editing Wikipedia and don't take too kindly to my work being referred to as a "mess". it may seem overdramatic but I've seen this user using expletives in edit summaries also and it is just so informal. Second, they have changed "charted" to "peaked" which is incorrect as it cannot peak twice. They then basically just reworded my perfectly acceptable wording of its progression on the UK charts. Just completely unnessacary. Then this so called "fix" changes the spelling of Median to Mediaen. This user needs to be told that Wikipedia is a place for everyone to edit, and to stop editing for the sake of it. I've had enough of witnessing this. Iluvrihanna24 (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It is you who edits for editing sake. Move on, get over it, forget about it. You're still moaning about everything. Why have you removed the mid week prediction from this article? AARON &bull; TALK   17:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh look its Tomica's best buddy who seems to speak for him whenever something goes wrong. I want an unbiased opinion he. I am back from a one month block so I hardly think one edit is editing for editing sake. I moved the mid week prediction as it is utterly pointless now seeing as the actual final position came straight afterwards. Leave me alone and stop asking stupid questions. Im not going to move on and get over a user who constantly overwrites everyone else's perfectly reasonable edits. Iluvrihanna24 (talk) 17:54, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Nothing has "gone wrong." Okay, well if you refuse to start fresh then you might as well count the days until your next block. Everyone else will move on if you move on. Instead, you a still spewing out the same stuff. You haven't changed. If you had, then you wouldn't have come to this talk page starting a vendetta. You could have just made an effort and started over, but you haven't, you're still clinging on. AARON &bull; TALK   17:57, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Same story all over again. I see, well, tbh I do not regret reverting you cause it wasn't just Median ---> Medien. You made all the chart performances read like a magazine Billboard issue. Apart of that you fucked up the references here and there (the same you did with "Diamonds" btw). Again, coming stubborn with edits for the sake of it and then coming to blame me for that. Pity. — Tomíca (T2ME) 18:49, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, your edit was a mess. "also due to the promotion of The X Factor" (This is unsourced). "marked a new peak position" (marked? what is it, a pencil?). "'Stay' charted" (it already had, it just moved up a position). — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 21:57, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Background
The background of Unapologetic I removed as it is irrelevant in this article. Why do we need to know about rumours of its release and when she revealed the title? What at all has that got to do with Pour It Up? Its obvious this has just been copied and pasted on every song article from the album by a user. I have seen it starting to be removed from other pages now and needs to be removed from here. Certain users just feel the need to undo my edits for the sake of it because they know I cannot revert them without being blocked again. Iluvrihanna24 (talk) 10:51, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Obviously you are not what are you talking about. This is "Stay" not "Pour It Up" so please coordinate yourself. — Tomíca (T2ME) 13:36, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This comment is just a copy of the one on "Pour It Up" which was actually posted at 11am. AARON &bull; TALK   13:38, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Premier date
As I live in the UK, it is right for me to say that Stay was never released here. Why does it have an Impact Day? That doesnt even make sense. Sources always give a date for the UK for when a song will be around its peak. On many other articles this is the case too, and the UK has now been removed from them. The first date of official release is January 28. Releases only count as radio release, digital download, CD single release dates. Iluvrihanna24 (talk) 19:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, you were instead from the UK... Then talk with Lil-unique, he added Impact Day. It's fact the song was released on January 7, 2013 in the country. — Tomíca (T2ME) 19:54, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Lol, because you live in the UK, it doesn't give you any more of a right to say when "Stay" was released. Point blank. Impact days are days when a song is used as part of promotion, but not necessarily released as an individual purchase. For example, it can be downloaded from the album, played on radio etc. It is the day that the song impacts the country. —  AARON  &bull; TALK   19:57, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * In reply to your edit summary, YES I AM FROM THE UK actually so I think I know something about release dates. It was never released!! Find me a format it was released in? Go on. iTunes...no. Radio...no. CD....no/ Precisely my point. And if it was any day it impacted the country Aaron it would be when she premiered it in the UK on X Factor which I think you will find is in December. Of course I have more of a right to say when it was released, its my country! Jesus christ Iluvrihanna24 (talk) 20:00, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It's Aaron's country too, so don't make drama of this again. And btw, Impact Day doesn't need format. We have the source, Billboard also cites it as a second single so here we go. Is it clear now? — Tomíca (T2ME) 20:04, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Impact day is the day in which it impacts radio, iTunes etc. You can download "Stay" from Unapologetic. Only difference is that you don't download it as a standalone single. So yes, it is available on iTunes, like every other song. "Stay" is being played on radio too. Actually, she performed the song first in mid November on SNL, that was the premiere before the album. X Factor was after the album release, which is no longer a premiere. Get your facts right. She could sing any song she wanted from the album, doesn't matter which. And no, it's not your country, you just live here, like I do. — AARON  &bull; TALK   20:08, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Since most songs are downloadable on iTunes, a lot of labels don't bother releasing them as individual. The Digital Spy dates they use refer to "Impact day", which in US terms, is when a song is serviced to radio. It's the same thing, they just give a different name to it. Considering you're from the UK (and I'm from Canada), I would have thought you'd know that. — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 20:20, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Background
Referring to other Rihanna singles other than lead singles, none of the Background sections include information about the development of the album it is taken from. This information should be (if that) only included in lead single articles. None of this information (which is written in appalling grammar anyway) should be included, it is not relevant to the song in any way at all.

See these pages which are also second single releases:


 * Shut Up and Drive (Rihanna song)
 * You da One
 * Hard (song)

There are many other articles which back my opinion up. None of them include information about the album therefore it is completely irrelevant. I have explained this time and time again. The useless information included is clearly copied on all single articles from Unapologetic. The only information needed is the development, writing, production and release dates of the track itself, nothing else. Iluvrihanna24 (talk) 21:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * All articles are different, they don't have to conform to the same things. I have made some lists FLs, and things I have been told to include in some, others I've been told not to. —  AARON  &bull; TALK   22:25, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Netherlands
I'm just wondering, do we need both charts for Netherlands? I'm not sure which one should be kept. Iluvrihanna24 (talk) 14:44, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 April 2013
Hello, there is a mistake in Rihanna's Stay single page, it says the song charted on number 19 on Dance Club Play chart but it charted on number 16. Thank You.


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: solely because protection of this article expired after this request was made. If the article becomes protected again please re-activate this request. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 21:47, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Stay (Rihanna song)
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Reference named "UK Sales": From Disturbia (song):  From Diamonds (Rihanna song):  

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Why is this paragraph even here?
I know this is not really a very important article on Wikipedia and I'm not even really a fan of Rihanna, but I've stumbled accidentally here. Why is this paragraph included: "On February 20, 2013 upcoming superstar singer, Masha, covered "Stay" on her popular YouTube channel, 'ItsMashaBitch." The video has received nearly 70,000 views as of November 2013. One YouTube user commented that Masha's version was, "much better than the original from Rihanna." I don't see any encyclopedic value in it. The girl has pipes, but I haven't heard of her before and I think that her "upcoming superstar" status is quite questionable at this moment. Don't get me wrong, I wish this lady success and all the best, but don't think this should be here.

Recognition and awards
We need a Recognition and awards section. It won song of the year by IheartRadio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.133.53 (talk) 09:25, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Celebrity Tweets
Shane Dawson has songs called Celebrity Tweets, and the songs were performed in the style of Rihanna's Stay, with the same instrumentals. Should this be included? -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 01:12, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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