Talk:Steeplechase (horse racing)/Archive 1

steeplechase
What's the difference between a steeplechase and a point to point?
 * I'm no expert but I think that they are one in the same thing. I have suggested a merge into the steeplechase article--Moonlight Mile 22:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No. They are different. Steeplechase (aka national hunt racing) takes place at full service purpose built racecourses, with the consequential commercial atmosphere. Point-to-points are usually held on farmland with a much less commercial atmosphere.  Totally different - at least in England!  Anon.
 * Moonlight Mile, do you have Point-to-Point racing in Australia ? If no, then you should listen to people from counties e.g. U.K. & Ireland who hold Point-to-Point's. They KNOW the differance between National Hunt racing and Point-to-Point racing (Amateur racing) instead of suggesting a merge. No merge Culnacreann 🇮🇪

Just to let you know - there are point-to-point race meetings in Australia. Steeplechase is a very high risck caualty sport for horse and rider! You come across in your response as very antagonistic. Moonlight Mile describes the difference as it exists in Australia - PTP are basically amateur meetings with higher weights but using horses that run in steeplechases at standard meetings. I appreciate the difference may be different in the UK but Moonlight Mile's suggestion was not unreasonable and was a SUGGESTION. Tigerman2005
 * I've removed the merge tag with Point to Point as the concensus on both talk pages is clearly that the two are not the same. --Moonlight Mile 00:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * i grew up in england and we certainly used the phrase steeplechase so the article's contention to the contrary is just plain wrong:::::

NO MERGE - NOT THE SAME
They can't be merged. National Hunt is the Offical Name for jump racing in the UK.[ http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/2390215.stm] Steeplechase is a generic description that applies to all, including the UK's National Hunt. As such, the National Hunt has to remain a separate article defining it with a link/reference in the main Steeplechasing article. - Handicapper 16:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S. This article needs a complete rewrite to define the sport and refere to the countries where steeplechase racing is held. - Handicapper 16:23, 17 October 2006

I appreciate what you are saying and agree. Certainly National Hunt deserves it own page but some paragragh on steeplechasing in UK might be a good idea. If you read this you would think the USA was the home of steeplechasing worldwide! I agree with what you say in the PS for sure. Tigerman2005 Apr 6 - 2007

Yes - that defines the difference now, thanks. Was there a difference in the past? For example in the 19th century.

Quite a lot of errors
There seems to be quite a lot wrong in this article.

There are numerous old fashioned cross country races still going on in the UK and no doubt in Ireland, eg the Ledbury Golden Button challenge on 1 January 2007, the Melton hunt skurry, the Flagg Moore members race over stone walls etc.

Why does the article begin by saying that the term steeplechase is not used in the UK?

What possible justification is there for this article in addition to an article on National Hunt racing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dr Spam (MD) (talk • contribs) 08:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

Might as well jump
Can somebody add a link, or something, to what the jumps are, what they look like, what difficulties they pose for horse & rider, that like? It'd also be useful here. Trekphiler (talk) 05:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

What about
What about Olympic Steeplechase this article does not speak much about running a steeplechase. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.71.79.12 (talk) 19:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That's because the subject of this article is the horse racing steeplechase. For other uses of the term see Steeplechase (disambiguation) at the beginning of the article. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 19:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Dangers and Bans?
I visited this page because I read about protests to ban jumps racing in Australia (in the last remaining states in which it is allowed), and I was wondering where else in the world it is held or where else it is banned. There isn't much mention of this (other than the fact it is banned in some Australian states)) and it would be good to see this enlarged upon under a Controversy (or similar) heading. Scleaver (talk) 06:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Not used in the UK?
What is the rubbish about "steeplechase" not being used as a term in the UK? If you spend 2 mins listening to any national hunt meeting commentary you will hear the word "steeplechase" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.108.160.130 (talk) 16:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, I found this very strange. Especially when organisations such as the "Irish National Hunt Steeplechase Committee" exist. I changed the wording to simply say that National Hunt racing is the official term; I hope this is more correct. --David Edgar (talk) 14:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Opposition
'Jumps racing is opposed in Australia by many minority groups ...' I deleted 'minority' as it's not neutral point of view, and also just above it says several governments have banned it, and they're not minority groups.Wodawik (talk) 07:51, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Cruel: How?
I think the article could be improved by the inclusion of statements and references to how the sport is cruel to horses. My intuition is that the reason is excessive danger of fatal injury, or perhaps severe joint injury is common, but since I don't know anything about horses or the steeplechase, my intuition is likely to fail me. In this case, I don't KNOW what the reason is, I am CURIOUS as to why, and the ARTICLE doesn't tell me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.129.87.43 (talk) 16:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Chase (racing)
Chase (racing) has been nominated for deletion because the word "chase" is just a shortened form of "steeplechase". Is that right? John Vandenberg (chat) 06:34, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move 24 April 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to Steeplechase (horse racing) and the disambiguation page to the base title, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 18:39, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Steeplechase → Steeplechase horse racing – A significant number of the incoming links to this article relate to the human kind of steeplechasing, despite my efforts to clean these up regularly. The human form of steeplechase is actually our most popular article on steeplechase over the horse variety, and has been so for several years, in spite of the human article being judged as the non-primary topic per page naming. The fact that the horse racing article's popularity peaks at the time of the Olympic and World Championships finals for the human sport suggests that leaving the horse racing article as a primary topic is causing a navigation issue for readers.

I suggest this page be converted into a disambiguation page and the horse racing article moved to the proposed title or similar, to prevent the recurring issues with linking. SFB 21:49, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Support A perfectly sensible suggestion, well explained by the proposer. HiLo48 (talk) 22:46, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * FWIW, and a little pedantic, but wouldn't the proper title be Steeplechase (horse racing)? Resolute 23:46, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems like a fine suggestion. I chose the one above as it seems to have some use within the sport, though I am by no means an expert. SFB 00:10, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support moving to Steeplechase (horse racing), as the athletics event is/should be the primary topic.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:56, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Honestly, when I think steeplechase, I think of the equestrian event first. So I'd say there is no primary topic. Steeplechase should be a disambiguation page. Resolute 22:28, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support moving and creating a disambiguation page. There's not that much difference except for the August peaks, see |Steeplechase this overlay comparison, so I would not support moving steeplechase (athletics) to Steeplechase. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:34, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support moving to Steeplechase (horse racing), and create dab page In ictu oculi (talk) 16:32, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support moving to Steeplechase (horse racing). I would be OK with either a disambiguation page, or moving steeplechase (athletics) to the plain title and putting a "not to be confused with" at the top. Habst (talk) 17:21, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support moving to Steeplechase (horse racing) and moving Steeplechase (disambiguation) to Steeplechase. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:54, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.