Talk:Stefan Dragutin/Archive 1

Cousin?
Something stinks here. Dragutin married the great-grand child of Andrew II of Hungary (II. Endre > IV. Béla > V. István > Katalin), and his son Vladislav married cousin? of II. Endre in 1284. So, Vladislav married 50-60 years old woman? Bendeguz 15:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Quotation: "Dragutin je svoju ćerku 1284. udao za bosanskog bana Stefana II Kotromanića, a sina Vladislava je 1293. oženio Konstancom Morozini, nećakom ugarskog kralja Andrije II" (Dr Drago Njegovan, Prisajedinjenje Vojvodine Srbiji, Muzej Vojvodine, Novi Sad, 2004.). Do you refer to Konstanca Morozini as 50-60 years old woman?  PANONIAN   (talk)  15:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Nećaka means sister's daughter (niece?). II. Endre had two sisters Margaret of Hungary and Konstancia of Hungary. Konstancia married Ottokar I of Bohemia. Margaret died in 1223 and Konstancia in 1240. So, which one's daughter married Vladislav in 1293? Bendeguz 17:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * No, "nećaka" do not means only daughter of your own sister, but could also mean a daughter of your other cousins no matter if they are very closely or more distantly related to you. PANONIAN   (talk)  21:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * "Konstanca Morozini" was born around 1278 (because in Medieval the girls married around age 15) and II. Endre was born hundred years earlier in 1175. She was probably fourth or fifth generation from II. Endre, and she wasn't his lineal descent, consequently she was just relative of the king or at best relative of the Árpád dynasty, and not cousin or niece. Bendeguz 22:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)