Talk:Stefan Th. Gries

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This article appears to reach notability guidelines by including things like the author has published in the top journals and is editor-in-chief of a journal. The journals listed are fine, but they aren't quite the top journals in the field of linguistics, but rather the author's subfields. Also he is editor-in-chief of a journal that he started that is decent but not a top journal yet. This is very different from being appointed editor of an already top journal.

Alinguist (talk) 22:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

This article is largely autobiography and I believe the subject himself is removing the notability tags without at least justifying notability on the talk page.

Alinguist (talk) 22:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

With regard to "notability", the following text was added weeks ago to the comments part of the page:

Stefan Th. Gries meets the following criteria from the notability of academics page: 1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources. The person has widely published in books (cf. the links at the bottom of the page) and peer-reviewed journals of his fields and performs editorial functions for several different journals in his fields.

1. The person is or has been an editor-in-chief of a major well-established journal in their subject area. The person has been editor-in-chief of the journal Corpus Linguistics and Linguistic Theory for the past five years, which has been ranked by the European Science Foundation and awarded the highest journal ranking class by the Norwegian Science Foundation.

With regard to the issue of "top journals in the field of linguistics":

(i) It is not exactly clear how top journals are assessed anyway. (ii) Of course, these are journals from the author's subfield (not everybody publishes in Science and Nature), but many are among the top journals in which authors from these subfields publish (where "top" is operationalized by both by range of citation and by the fact that many of these journals have received the European Science Foundation's "A" journal rating), and (iii) for example, the journal Cognitive Linguistics, in which the author has published three article in the last 10 years and of which he is an associate editor has the third-highest ISI impact factor of all linguistics journals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.220.93 (talk) 17:16, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Possible copyright violations
The first two paragraphs seem to be copied almost entirely from the subject's Amazon author page and the third paragraph from various symposia descriptions (e.g. http://english.ua.edu/life/symposium). I can see these being not copyright violations if the subject wrote them and this page, but then we have the problem of notability with autobiography. In any case, there is something askew here. 64.134.187.23 (talk) 15:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Copyright tag
I have added a copyright tag because of the concerns raised at WT:CP and which I reproduce below: "In the article Stefan Th. Gries I think all three paragraphs have been copied. The first and second paragraphs were once all of the Amazon pages for Stefan Gries, but they were removed recently. They still appear when phrases are searched with Google. The first paragraph appears here: http://books.google.com/books?id=c6Ii092IX9oC&pg=PA249&lpg=PA249 The second paragraph appears here: http://english.ua.edu/life/symposium Most of the third paragraph appears here: http://www.ugent.be/doctoralschools/en/doctoraltraining/courses/archive/2012-2013/2012-2013-digital-humanities.htm I recently proposed the article for deletion under notability concerns a few weeks ago (the result was keep), but after posting it there discovered the copy/paste nature of this. An anonymous editor on Articles_for_deletion/Stefan_Th._Gries suggested that places were copying Wikipedia instead of the other way around. Considering the print nature of some of these sources (and the consistency of all the other descriptions except the one on Wikipedia), it seems as if these are taken from individual promotional snippets (perhaps written by the publisher or Dr. Gries himself) and added to Wikipedia instead of the converse. I strongly suspect that there is a copyright violation in this article, but am not sure where to go next because of the nebulous nature and the reverts done to the article whenever notices are posted. FratHoneyBee (talk) 06:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)"

From the original editors name I strongly believe that the original contributor to this page is also the person in question and so also quite likely the copyright holder of this text. Given the repeated use of this text it also seems likely that wikipedia was not the original place of publication of this text. In such instances we need recorded proof of permission from the copyright owner to use the text. I have left a notice at User talk:Stgries explaining how this should be done. Even if wikipedia was the place of first publication this is still likely to be the easiest way to resolve this issue given the backlog at WP:CP and the work that would be required to show to a reasonable level of proof that we had it first.

To protect wikiepedia this content must remained blank until we either a) receive permission or b) it is shown that we had the text first. As described on the tag it should only be removed by an admin, copyright clerk or OTRS agent. Removal by anyone else could lead to blocks. Unfortunately both OTRS and the copyright board regularly have significant backlogs but rest assured this will be dealt with eventually. Dpmuk (talk) 07:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I am the person which this article is about and the whole copyright business is just crap. I myself have repeatedly sent the Wikipedia text to people who needed a personal profile about me such as when I was invited to give talks etc. For example, on 4 Oct 2012, I sent an email with the first two paragraphs from the article to the organizers of the China Forum on Cognitive Linguistics. Shortly after getting the invitation to teach in Gent, I sent the local organizer there the text from the page. On 22 March 2012 I sent the paragraph beginning with "Methodologically" to the publisher John Benjamins for a bionote of an article. On 27 Oct 2011 I sent the whole article to Benjamins again because they wanted a note on their authors and editors. As far as I can see, all the examples that are cited as copyright violations date from 2011 or 2012 - since this page has been around since 2007 or 2008 (?), how is it not obvious that Wikipedia had the text first??? Stgries (talk) 04:23, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Just awaiting a minor clarification, per OTRS #2012112610001121, and this should all be resolved. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:05, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * All good, now. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:20, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Some questions arose about copyright issues, which were resolved. Agents can view the discussion at

In short, the conclusion was that the apparent copyright violation arose because someone copied Wikipedia material, not the other way around.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  15:24, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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