Talk:Stella Nardari-Vecchiato

On 28 September she reach a milestone
On this date Nardari becomes the oldest person ever born in the region of Veneto. --Leoj83 (talk) 14:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. ῤerspeκὖlὖm  in ænigmate  (talk) (spy)  11:07, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Stella Nardari → Stella Nardari-Vecchiato – This is the name listed in the GRG source. Please see item 15 14 on the source web page.David in DC (talk) 21:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The other source is in Italian. I think it says Nardari is her maiden name and Vecchiatto the surname of her husband.

"Stella è figlia di Maddalena Polo e Giovanni Nardari, che ricorda con grande nostalgia; immenso anche l’affetto per il marito Giovanni Vecchiato nato nel 1894 e morto nel 1970, dal quale ha avuto 4 figli: Annamaria, Oreste, Pietro e Riccardo, che è mancato da tempo."
 * If Google translate is halfway accurate this says: "Stella is the daughter of Magdalene and John Nardari Polo, who remembers with great nostalgia, even the immense affection for her husband Giovanni Vecchio was born in 1894 and died in 1970, from whom he had 4 children: Annamaria, Orestes, Peter and Richard, who was missing for some time."
 * This fits with the name on the GRG chart.
 * So, according to WP naming conventions, the article name should be "Stella Nardari-Vecchiato" or "Stella Vecchiato". But it should not be Stella Nardari. "Stella Nardari" should be a redirect, mostly because the name is strewn carelessly about on other longevity lists, despite those lists citing directly to the GRG page the name contradicts. A redirect would be easier than chasing down all the nooks and crannies into which the wrong name has been accreted. David in DC (talk) 21:37, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


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Incumbent vs "Current"
Please read Incumbent. That article and this, make it clear that the word is for the winners of competitions and the holders of religious offices. Human longevity is not a competition, nor a religion. Old people are not sitting in their rocking-chairs competing to wrest titles or break-records by staving off the grim reaper longer than other old people sitting in their own rockers.

In general, the longevity suite of articles would be much improved if it backed away from its hobbyist obbsession with record-breakers and title-holders. Extreme long-livedness can quite often be notable. The question of how long humans can live is one that merits, and gets, attention from serious academicians. It's notable when covered in reliable sources. But it's the phenomenon of long-livedness that's of interest, not the fact that a living person is the 14th oldest ever, or that she's the oldest person living in a particular, small, geographic region of planet Earth. Or that she's the second-oldest Italian because the oldest one now lives in the good ol' USA.

Steering the longevity suite in the direction the paragraph above suggests will take a lot of cooperation and consensus-building. But taking the much smaller step of changing "Incumbent" to "Current" in the suite's succession boxes ought not to be controversial. All one need do on that score is read what Wikipedia has to say about the use of the term "Incumbent". David in DC (talk) 19:06, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Many thanks to juanm for his quick response and for taking the time to show me, on my talk page, how to code succession boxes better. I fixed the word, he fixed my clunky coding, the article is better. And I've received a lesson about WP:AGF that I needed. David in DC (talk) 19:49, 4 October 2011 (UTC)