Talk:Steph Korey

Potential sources removed from article
Parking this here: SmartSE (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Korey has been featured in publications including Entrepreneur, Fast Company, The New York Times, Inc., CNBC, The Business of Fashion, The Wall Street Journal, Vogue and TIME.

Edit request from article's subject
Hi, this is Steph Korey. I'd like to propose a few changes and additions to this article. Thanks in advance for considering my suggestions.
 * 1) In the infobox, please remove the "Title" field, as I am no longer serving in those capacities at Away (source). Also in the infobox, please change my husband's name from "Pedro" to "Peter" (source).
 * 2) To reflect the change in my role at Away, please change the first sentence of the article to: "Stephanie Korey is an American businesswoman and co-founder of the luggage retailer Away."
 * 3) In the "Early life" section, please remove the words "in a 55,000-square-foot historic mansion with an indoor swimming pool and three dining rooms." This is a gratuitous and undue level of detail that adds nothing of substance to the section.
 * 4) The "Away" section:
 * 5) *In the "late 2019" paragraph, please change the word "revealed" to "alleged," as the idea that the workplace was "toxic" was reported by the source as allegations rather than as an objective fact.
 * 6) *Also in the "late 2019" paragraph, condense the three sentences beginning "On December 9, 2019..." into one sentence for clarity and to avoid undue weight. The new sentence should be: "In January 2020, Korey became co-CEO along with Stuart Haselden after first planning in December 2019 to step down as CEO."
 * 7) *The level of detail in the "late June 2020" paragraph is another example of undue weight. Please shorten the paragraph to: "In July 2020, Away announced that Korey would be stepping down as co-CEO within the year, following the publication of an anonymous letter from employees criticizing Korey for social media posts she had written in late June."
 * 8) *Please add a final paragraph to the section to update regarding the change in my role at Away: In October 2020, Stuart Haselden took over as the sole CEO of the company and Korey is continuing to serve on the board of directors.
 * 9) Please add an "Awards and recognition" section listing the following items:
 * 10) *2016: Forbes 30 Under 30
 * 11) *2018: Ernst & Young Entrepreneur Of The Year 2018 New York Award
 * 12) *2019: Crain's New York 40 Under 40
 * 13) *2019: BoF 500

Thank you, Stephkg (talk) 15:24, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Done
 * Done
 * Partially done, I think that the "55,000-square-foot historic mansion" is worth keeping, but the swimming pool etc. is excessive detail
 * Not done - it seems to be accepted by e.g. The NYT that there was a toxic culture and Korey apologised as such, so it is not an allegation.
 * For the rest, I've partially implemented it.
 * Not done - we require sources which are independent of the awarding organisation to merit inclusion. Even if they are mentioned in other sources, that does not necessarily mean that they merit inclusion. SmartSE (talk) 17:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Not done - we require sources which are independent of the awarding organisation to merit inclusion. Even if they are mentioned in other sources, that does not necessarily mean that they merit inclusion. SmartSE (talk) 17:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking the time to respond to my request and for making the changes that you made. Regarding the awards, I understand your point that not all awards merit inclusion. But I would think that at least the awards that are notable in their own right should be included, i.e., Forbes 30 Under 30 and Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award, plus 40 Under 40 (source), which I did not mention in my initial request. Also, two of those awards were mentioned in independent sources: here and here. Thanks again, Stephkg (talk) 13:10, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up edit request
Hi, it's Steph again, suggesting a few more additions.
 * 1) In the first paragraph of the Away section, please add the following sentence right after the words "... was unable to find a suitcase on the market.": "Korey and Rubio conducted surveys and focus groups to understand what travelers wanted from their luggage."
 * 2) At the end of the first paragraph of the Away section, add the following reference in place of the "citation needed" note:
 * 3) Please add a "Personal life" section with the sentence: "Korey is married and lives in New York."
 * 4) Please add an "Awards and recognition" section listing the following awards. (I've amended the list from my previous request to include only awards that are notable in their own right, following helpful feedback from .)
 * 5) *2016: Forbes 30 Under 30
 * 6) *2018: Ernst & Young Entrepreneur Of The Year 2018 New York Award
 * 7) *2019: Fortune (magazine)'s 40 Under 40

Thanks again, Stephkg (talk) 14:09, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi in response to your request:  Seagull123  Φ  16:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌: even though your request here is sourced, I personally think it may be excessive detail, and would be too detailed to include in the article. I'm not sure if other editors may disagree with me or not, so if you disagree with me, feel free to explain why.
 * ❌: the source you've given doesn't say that. Can you provide a source which supports that statement?
 * ❌: the source you've given doesn't say that. Can you provide a source which supports that statement?
 * Thanks for your reply. Here is a WP:ABOUTSELF source for a "Personal life" section with the sentence, "Korey is married and lives in New York": . Since that source is my official website, perhaps it could also be added to the infobox and to External links.
 * Also, I see that DGG has removed the Awards section. It is my understanding that if an award is notable in its own right, then it is worth including in a biography article, and DGG's assertion that these awards are "PR awards" with "no other significance" seems to be unsupported. But of course I'll respect whatever the consensus turns out to be on this point. Thanks! Stephkg (talk) 20:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Personal life is ✅; I've assumed you meant the city and not the state. I have no opinion about the 40 for 40. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 00:13, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Disagree
I do not think adding 4) was appropriate, and I removed it as an uninvovled editor. At AfD discussion in the past few years, awards for 30 under 30 and the like have been usually taken to indicate "Not Yet Notable". They're purely PR awards, they are organized so a great many people get the awards in mone or anotther of the very many categories,  and have no other significance. Since the article has not been deleted, it should at least limit itself to what's significant.  DGG ( talk ) 00:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Undue weight in Away section
Hi, this is Steph Korey. I'm proposing that the second and third paragraphs of the Away section be changed to the content below. There is undue weight here being put on these events that contradict Wikipedia's stance on WP:RECENTISM. Obviously, these events occurred and will be in the article, as will the references, but they are given undue weight here to the size of the article and the other events in my life.

Proposed new wording:

In December 2019, following an investigative report by The Verge which highlighted Korey's role in allegedly contributing to a toxic workplace at Away, the company announced that Korey would be replaced as CEO by Stuart Haselden but would continue to serve as Away's executive chairwoman. In January it was announced that Korey had reversed her decision, and would instead serve as co-CEO along with Haselden. In July 2020, Haselden and Rubio announced that Korey would be stepping down as co-CEO, and that Haselden would take over as sole CEO "within the year," following the publication of an anonymous letter from Away employees criticizing Korey for social media posts she had written in late June. Korey stepped down from her position as CEO at Away in October 2020 but remained on the board of directors.

Thank you for your consideration. Stephkg (talk) 16:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The proposed changes whitewash important details from the article. There are numerous sources discussing these events, so it is not at all undue for this to be given the prominence it currently has in the article. It is already a fairly brief summary of what's been written. SmartSE (talk) 17:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)