Talk:Stephan Vanfleteren

No infobox
Please do not add an infobox. See this arbitration report, and, for a more recent discussion, the talk page for the article on Stanley Kubrick. -- Hoary (talk) 00:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

(Mis)translation
My French is feeble. I hope that my mistakes aren't too many or too terrible. Mistakes aside, I have in places deliberately translated loosely, cut, and added. My thanks to for the "source" material (whose sources I checked); don't blame Mellonne for my goofs. -- Hoary (talk) 00:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Dear Hoary, you are welcome . I started myself with the page in Dutch (and realize now I forgot to mention it). Thank you for creating the English version--Mellonne (talk) 10:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , I see from the articles on Anna Griese-Goudkuil that you're rather accustomed to working between French and Dutch. I wouldn't be surprised to find that I've made a mistake involving one language (in which I'm minimally competent) or the other (of which I'm completely ignorant); please don't hesitate to correct me. -- Hoary (talk) 22:07, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Dear Hoary I had a look on the bio of Vanfleteren and found it very good and detailled (lots of references !). I just added a detail on a recent award--Mellonne (talk) 16:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you for the addition, Mellonne. If I have some more time when I can think uninterruptedly, I'd like to work more on the text. -- Hoary (talk) 01:32, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Dates of sources
Why were so many references "accessed" or "retrieved" so long before the main text was written? Because I started this article "bottom up" (as is my custom); but after having sporadically worked on the "bottom", I procrastinated for months, until suddenly seeing the French-language article, thinking "I should get this done", and translating/traducing it within a single week. -- Hoary (talk) 00:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm now going through the article from top to bottom, checking each of these links. A disturbingly high percentage of pages available a year ago are available no longer. Luckily most live on via the Wayback Machine, but not all. -- Hoary (talk) 08:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Hoary (talk) 23:28, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Refbombing?
Several not-so-major claims here come with oddly many references. Their number can be reduced, but I hope that instead of random removals the best ones are left. A little later, I hope to start on this task myself. -- Hoary (talk) 01:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Beyond the Document
Here's a somewhat mysterious exhibition/book pair. The exhibition:


 * Beyond the document: Photographes belges contemporains = Beyond the document: Hedendaagse Belgische fotografen = Beyond the Document: Contemporary Belgian Photographs. Palais des Beaux-Arts (Bozar), Brussels, June–September 2011.

And the book:


 * Frank Vanhaecke, ed. Beyond the document: Photographes belges contemporains = Beyond the document: Hedendaagse Belgische fotografen = Beyond the document: Contemporary Belgian photographs. Brussels: Bozar, 2011. ISBN 9789020994933.

This press release is (to me) very strong evidence that Vanfleteren wasn't included in the exhibition. (Incidentally, the press release is linked from the top of the list here. "024": English. "023": Dutch. "022": French.) However,, Lannoo's page and the Google Books page are (to me) strong evidence that Vanfleteren is included in the book. (Incidentally, the cover shown on the Lannoo page is different from that shown by Google books, but the ISBN is the same.)

Perhaps some editor with access to a copy of the book could take a look inside it and say what it includes. -- Hoary (talk) 06:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hoary, Vanfleteren was definitely not part of the exhibition of 2011 at Bozar. About the book, I don't have an explanation. Maybe one book as a catalogue of the exhibition and another one but why only one ISBN ? --Mellonne (talk) 17:00, 25 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Mellonne, imaginably the book was compiled and printed in good time for the exhibition but then some copyright/logistical/other problem meant that SV couldn't be included in the exhibition. And it does happen that, thanks to some mistake, entirely different books share a single ISBN (I've encountered it three or four times, and one instance is described here), so perhaps two similar-but-different books shared an ISBN (even though they shouldn't have). Let's hope that somebody who has access to a copy of the book can comment here. -- Hoary (talk) 01:29, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Another source
I believe that one or more of Vanfleteren's books is/are in Photobook Belge: 1854 – Now (Hannibal, 2019; ISBN 9789492677884), which I haven't seen. -- Hoary (talk) 23:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, Belgicum is in it; see "Evolution of the photobook belge". -- Hoary (talk) 01:37, 10 September 2021 (UTC)