Talk:Stephen, Count of Tréguier

Hawise
Who is Hawise of Guingamp? The French wiki mentions her as only Hawise, the daughter of Thibaut III of Blois but Thibaut's article doesn't mention any daughter name Hawise. So who is she?


 * Guingamp is a locale in northern Brittany, within Count Stephen's domain, so Hawise was probably the daughter of a Breton lord. Her name was exceedingly common among the aristocracy of the 10th and 11th centuries, so the mention of Blois may well be in error.  (Nonetheless, according to the French Wikipédia, the earliest mention of Blois by name describes a Breton, Ivomadis, conquering it by expelling a German (?) named Odo in the year 410. Zoetropo (talk) 13:04, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Comte de Bretagne
"Comte de Bretagne" (or its Latin equivalent) is a genuine title, but it most emphatically does not mean "The Count of Brittany", as some assume. Rather, it is a much-used courtesy title for the legitimate sons of, for example, Odo, Count of Penthièvre. A better reading is "(A) Breton Count", or "Count from Brittany", as French and Latin "de" can also mean "from".

On another point, Brian Fitz Count was a son of Alan IV, Duke of Brittany and a noblewoman, Lucie de Ballon (see Hamelin de Ballon). Alan IV was both Count of Rennes and Count of Nantes, much as the Duke of Normandy was Count of Rouen, and the French King was Count of Paris. Zoetropo (talk) 06:22, 30 October 2015 (UTC)