Talk:Stetson

Christy's origin story is false.

See South Gloucestershire article in 'Inside Out' March/April 2016.

https://issuu.com/insideandoutmag/docs/160223-298-insideout-issue-2-issuu

Chris Heal investigated the claim as part of his 5 year PHD thesis and discussed the claim with the claimant John Moore University of Bristol Lecturer who admitted shortly before his death that the claim was most likely untrue.

Page title
Page title: moved to Stetson after the recent change to Cowboy Hat, which doesn't match the content. Charles Matthews 13:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Nothing but cowboy hats?
I came here looking for a history of the Stetson hat company, not a treatise on cowboy hats. These things are not at all synonomous. My grandfather wore Stetson dress hats into the 1980s, and he certainly was no cowboy. This is the best we can do? --Tysto 02:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I have a Stetson cologne and aftershave set. I'm pretty sure the company does more than just hats. Rebuttal 05:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Suggesting a merge and clean-up of Stetson and John B Stetson hat company
The section of the Stetson article concerning the controvery between the John B Stetson Hat Company and Christy's Hats is in need of clean up, as it contains unprofessional writing and unverifiable speculations. I propose the article be cleaned and merged with the parent article on the John B Stetson Hat Company.

Gryle 15:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Christy's of England story
The Christy's of England story makes for interesting reading, but nagging problems exists with regard to historical accuracy. Put simply, can the story be verified? Many of Christy's records got destroyed during the war, because they were stored in poor, damp conditions in a cellar. What survives is in Stockport Public Library. The story raises many questions. Has anyone ever been able to verify the exact date and location of the supposed court case and viewed the details of the original court documents? Has anyone in recent times ever actually seen an original Christy's hat or its design? Did any of the Christy's cowboy hats ever find their way into museums? In the interests of historical accuracy, I believe that the story needs to be verified. At present there is a lot of heresay, but no proof.

The above text was added to the main article by BOTP • (BOTP contribs), and I moved it here --Xorkl000 23:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Is this firm of Christy's related to Christy's & Company of Witney, Oxfordshire? It was founded in 1773 by Miller Christy (1748?-1820). An obituary in The Guardian indicates that the Christy/Christie family ran it until 1980.


 * The story is retailed by "Bristol History" (nasty pop-up) and looks unreliable. 86.149.172.135 (talk) 10:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The Frampton Cotterell & District Local History Society are looking in to providing sources and references for this story. Vernon White  . . . Talk 16:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Google Stetson hat and Frampton Cotterell. There is lots of evidence. Also, if the ledgend of how the hat was supposedly created is shown, why not show the Frampton Cotterell possibility as well? possible source: http://www.cavhooah.com/john_stetson.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.40.128 (talk) 14:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

The two accounts
The author of this article implies that the two accounts of the Stetson are mutually exclusive, and therefore one is correct, when in fact this line of reasoning is obviously fallacious (enough so that it might be considered a NPOV violation). An earlier hat of the Stetson-style could have been made in England, with Stetson later devising his own design independently. Someone should come up with a source that suggests the popular Stetson account is a legend, if this claim is to be included.
 * The Frampton Cotterell & District Local History Society are looking in to providing sources and references for this story. If anyone has information on how to find U.S. Patent 19th Century Case-Law, it would be helpful.  Vernon White  . . . Talk 10:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

That's good. Although irrelevant to my objection. My objection was that this new theory could not be used to disprove the Stetson legend, even if it were substantiated, as the previous, biased article suggested. Both accounts could simultaneously be true. That's all I'm sayin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.161.188.36 (talk) 22:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Generic, brand?
There are two uses for "Stetson hat". One is a hat made by the Stetson company. The other is a style most associated with the Stetson company.

My question is whether there is a specific difference between the latter and a general Cowboy hat. If not, cowboy hat is where such things should be discussed, and things like the Christy's argument should go in the Stetson Company article. TheHYPO (talk) 10:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Wha?
The second paragraph is utterly incomprehensible: "Stetson Kuykendall rode the pole to success of its iconic styles... "
 * What is "Stetson Kuykendall"?
 * What does "rode the pole" mean?
 * "to success of its iconic styles" is just ungrammatical —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.40.162.30 (talk) 13:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 16:56, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Stetson → Stetson (hat brand) – The hat, a company, and two universities are named after John B. Stetson. This can't be the primary topic. Marcus  Qwertyus   09:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure it can. Why not?  I think most people outside of Texas would be surprised to learn about the company of the universities.  Powers T 13:26, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. – ukexpat (talk) 20:32, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You mean WP:Primary topic. Marcus   Qwertyus   01:54, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

felt material
The article mentions that the original hat was made of beaver felt. I am pretty sure that at some point the usual fur source became rabbit instead. I notice that the Akubra and Borsalino hat articles mention that they used rabbit fur felt. I wonder if it would be useful to document when this switch happened to the Stetson hat. --AJim (talk) 23:34, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

According to their website: What are the percentages of beaver in our hats? The percentage of beaver is determined by the X quality of the product. The higher the X’s the higher percentage of beaver fur is mixed in the hat. Because of our efforts to remain the leading manufacturer in headwear, the exact percentages are a manufacturing secret formula that we choose not to share. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KimS-or-something (talk • contribs) 17:27, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Location
According to the Stetson website the hats are manufactured in Garland, TX...this article would have us believe it's in Philadelphia:

http://www.stetsonhat.com/history.php

Today the Stetson hat factory in Garland, Texas is one of the largest in the country and produces a line of hats in hundreds of different styles and colors. In spite of this size, however, classic styling and premium quality remain as the driving forces behind each and every hat. As a result, Stetson hats are the most well known hats in the world. Wherever and whenever hats are discussed Stetson will be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KimS-or-something (talk • contribs) 17:23, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Iconic image
The article mentions an iconic image of a cowboy watering his horse from his Stetson hat. The painting by Lon Megargee (from 1924) can be found in this Huffington Post article as well as this article from Days Gone By, and several other sites. I don't know what the copyright status would be. The artist died in 1960 according to this article. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:22, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Ownership as of 2021
The ownership section is both poorly written and out of date. Stetson is a 'brand' in the Dorfman Pacific portfolio and only a few of the hats are USA made.

Stagger Lee
Why is Stagger Lee's apocryphal Stetson had mentioned in section about military and police usage? It has nothing to do with police or military hats. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.192.5.194 (talk) 13:53, 11 February 2022 (UTC)