Talk:Steve Dodd/Archive 1

pre FAC source check

 * http://www.townsendmanagement.com.au/4622.html is going to be a concern for anything controversial, since it's basically his own agency's site and they will "color" things to make him look good.
 * Agree - the source is used only for his middle name, and his state of residence. hamiltonstone (talk) 11:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Some may have concerns with the IMDb cite
 * The only purpose for which IMDb is used - fairly extensively I admit - is for film and television cast listings of Dodd, and what character he played. Other similar sites (Four Word Film Review; Film.com) produce some similar results, though less extensive. Am I right to think they all face the same reliability questions? Do you know what is regarded as a reliable source? Because he is generally only in minor roles, he does not appear in books that only list the leads. hamiltonstone (talk) 11:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Since writing that note, I have been able to improve the situation using a reference book on Australian film, but at present am still stuck with IMDb for about half the television roles. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:54, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * These I would question at FAC:
 * http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/essays/essay_17.html
 * I have tried to address this by explaining the identity of the author of the essay (who is also administrator of the site). hamiltonstone (talk) 11:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * http://www.classicaustraliantv.com
 * Not quite sure what to do here. The NFSA (an unimpeachable source) tells us that an actor called Bindi Williams played a lead role in the series Woobinda, and that there is a character in that series called Kevin Stevens who is an adopted Aboriginal boy. BUT the NFSA does not actually state that Williams is the actor playing that role. Gary Foley (the source you query and to which I have tried to give some credence) tells us this was the first series to have a regular Aboriginal actor, but uses no names. However only unreliable sources - classicaustraliantv, australian television information archive, and imdb - tell us that the actor playing Kevin Stevens is Bindi Williams. It seems to me to be an uncontroversial fact (that Williams played Stevens), but that link is critical to the more important claim, made by Foley, that this was the first series in which such acting took place. And the whole thing is relevant partly for context, but also to reject the claim made by one website (Milesago), that Dodd was the actor. What do I do?? hamiltonstone (talk) 11:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not watchlisting this, so when you're set for me to relook, ping me. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Date of birth
According to the Korean War Nominal Roll, Dodd was born on 1 June 1928. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for finding that. It is extremely useful, though a little perplexing. The birthplace doesn't square with other sources; nor does the length of service (though you would think the Department of Veterans Affairs would know the accurate figure). I'll integrate that info into the article soon. hamiltonstone (talk) 10:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Very welcome. :) The length of service in this source is only for Dodds' time in Korea, and does not include any prior or later service outside of his tour. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 10:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Source please!
"and limited by discrimination and typecasting."

Is there a source for this? Otherwise, why is it there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.8.251 (talk) 15:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Because that is what the (cited) sentences that follow are about. Cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

FAR discussion
I have placed the FAR for this article on hold, as the required article talk page notifications were not made prior to beginning the review. Please discuss here any identified issues with the article. Dana boomer (talk) 16:21, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Occurrences of IMDB

 * Appropriate use of source (please see archives at WP:RSN, IMDB is appropriate for some uses): Sources differ on whether Dodd had a part in Evil Angels (released as A Cry in the Dark outside of Australia and New Zealand),[37] the 1988 film about the Azaria Chamberlain disappearance, with Dodd's name not included in the cast list published by Australian Film 1978–1994,[38] but appearing in the longer cast listing provided by IMDb.[39]
 * Ditto, appropriate use: He said he worked with Rafferty on a fourth film, Wake in Fright, in 1971,[6] but Dodd's name does not appear in published cast lists.[18][19][20]
 * Riptide (1969), this one is tough, didn't find anything reliable
 * Woobinda – Animal Doctor (1970), tons of g-hits, hardly controversial use of Imdb
 * Spyforce (1972–73),
 * Homicide (1974),
 * Rush (1976) ...
 * Flying Doctors can be sourced to this.
 * The Alice (2006) Don't know if this is reliable
 * My Country (2007)
 * Broken Sun (2008)

I just felt like adding this since this is the pettiest FAR I can ever recall seeing. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 16:56, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Sandy. I can do work on integrating these new sources to the article but not for another week - i'm on a break, and only just caught this as walking out the door...hamiltonstone (talk) 21:40, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Update: I have replaced imdb as the reference for Spyforce, Homicide, Rush, Flying Doctors, My Country and Broken Sun. Imdb currently remains the only cited source for Riptide, Woobinda, and The Alice. The issue for Riptide and The Alice is locating any suitable alternative source. The issue for Woobinda as I see it as that plenty of sites have Dodd listed in the cast for the show, but all have the capacity for people to create accounts and make contributions, which I understand to be the objection to the use of imdb. There is clearly no question that Dodd acted in Woobinda - there are multiple entries, all consistent - the question is what source are WP editors prepared to accept? hamiltonstone (talk) 04:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Recent changes
I have just modified some recent changes to this article. I thought i would explain a couple here. Rest of the changes looked helpful - thanks for all the recent interest in this piece.hamiltonstone (talk) 23:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The article was tagged with a COI tag, but no explanation was provided at the talk page. Given that all of the content (other than that relating to the subject's recent death) was reviewed at FAC, it is not clear why such a tag would be used, and I have removed it. If there was a concern that I am somehow connected to the article subject, I am not, and never met him, nor am i the author of any of the cited sources.
 * I reinstated a sentence that was lost during an edit - i'm not sure why it was removed, given it was citing a reliable source and directly about the subject's role and experience as an actor, but if someone wants to explain, that's fine.

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 * David Horton. Encyclopaedia of Aboriginal Australia - no entry, and not mentioned under "Arrente" or "Film".