Talk:Steve Harris (musician)

Importance to Iron Maiden
Reverted to the previous version, as I don't consider Steve the one and only who holds Iron Maiden together; The reason Bruce left in the early 1990s was because of several arguments with Steve.

True, but doesn't that tend to support the point rather than disprove it? I have no axe to grind, I'm just passing through, but Bruce did leave in 1993 and Iron Maiden did stay together. IF Maiden had split up then, the point would have been made, but they didn't ... they were still there when Bruce got back in 1999 :-)

Not true. Bruce left because he wanted to go in a different direction musically. His musical ideas were being rejected by Maiden. The arguments are just a side note. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WayneS1324 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Picture
the picture of steve harris has been the same for ages...please put a new one like this..latest picture...and if somebody who doesn't know him sees it they'll think what a cool guy he is. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4931377&id=172685102050

"trademark gallops"
..won't mean much to a non-bass player - changing entry to reflect this


 * "which he plays with only two fingers." - I think that's the scaring part...

Use of colloquial expressions and non standard grammar in this page, could really do with being altered to standard English. 82.42.159.167 00:22, 27 October 2005 (UTC)UKPrawn

I can tell you absolutely positively that he does NOT "just use 2 fingers". He usually uses three and sometimes 4. This is a shocking lack of knowledge of the subject.

"Absolutely positively...uses three and sometimes 4"? Wrong, except for when he fans chords with the backs of his fingers, or when he uses his thumb for intricate acoustic parts. He picks with only two; his ring finger moves sympathetically, but he does not pick with it."...shocking lack of knowledge"?;-) Michaelkenney 01:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC) vwfnefnn2ufn32uhfu32hf2nfenfu43hgu342dyh244tif3fugthnrfjihuj231ijugtni0r9-1e2jgntkegti0fkergibtk0fo-egtibr0foe-gtirnhjtgkf0-edfwirgwi4jgiwjgwgwrgjirgj34gjwirgj384j-g3jr32jf3j34f3208fj49385hj32j43ughj423djqj24f38gt92u8tg4uhg35ugj21ijerjgijgeuhj3ugjue5gu34hgu35h54uhg45hj349gj — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.151.89.66 (talk) 22:06, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Date of birth
According to maidenfans.com he was born in 1956, and not in 1957 http://www.maidenfans.com/index.php?url=steve_harris.htm But I'm not 100% when he was really born. 89.32.19.239 13:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The Maiden biography I've got, and a few websites, say 1956. I wish people would stop changing it. -- Mark ( Talk  |  Contribs  |  Email ) 17:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

If the official biog (?) says 1956, it's probably 1956, though the interview in Guitar and Bass in October 06 said he was 49, which would make it 57. But that could just be a repeat mistake. If he left school in 72 with some qualifications, he would typically be 16, which supports 1956. It was Dave's birthday when they played London on 23rd December, Bruce made everyone sing Happy Birthday but very gentlemanly he would not divulge Dave's age! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.159.59.41 (talk • contribs).
 * I was there, Steve let everyone know he was 50. But still, the biography I've got isn't official, but it is quite reputable. Also, the general consensus seems to lead to 1956. -- Mark ( Talk  |  Contribs  |  Email ) 16:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

When was that, December 2006 or another gig? Do you mean, Steve let everyone know Dave was 50, or Steve let everyone know Steve was 50?

Further thought: if IM was founded Christmas Day 1975, when Steve was 19 (as he says) then he must be born in 1956.

Yes, he did form it when he was 19. But it was formed on that day in 1976, not 1975. Also, that link could have the false info. Nobody knows. You guys should actually ask somebody who knows about Steve Harris' DOB. --Willy, your mate 04:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Are you people that stupid? The man was born in 1956. I have met him and seen his passport at customs. It says 1956. Why do you idiots keep thinking it's 1957? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.79.170.66 (talk) 18:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

The man was born in 56, (WP:NPA - comment removed by Onorem♠Dil 19:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)), but I know for a fact that he was born in 1956. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.79.170.66 (talk) 19:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey anonymous be calm! Wikipedia is based on references, where is the reference about his birth in 1956? The remastered albums of Iron Maiden report 1957. Your opinion and Fan-site like www.maidenfans.com are not reliable sources. --Born Again 83 (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey Born Again 83, are you a retard? Those 1998 remastered albums are full of mistakes. I have been working for a music promoter and have seen their passports since 1981(to get them visas to come to Japan) Steve and Dave 1956, Adrian 1957, Bruce 1958, Nicko 1952.

Quite being stupid and relying on messed up liner notes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.79.170.66 (talk) 21:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Who are you to say the remastered albums are full of mistakes? Don't be offensive or I'll report you as a problematic user. Are you able to read or not? You must report concrete sources, not words! --Born Again 83 (talk) 22:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey born again 83, you are a trouble maker. I will report you to wikipedia for constantly changing the man's birth year to 1957. He is was born in 1956. Just look at all the correct sources. You are going by the mistake on the 1998 remasters that everyone knows are wrong. His birthday is in all the official biographies as well. Like I said, I have seen all the members passports because I had to get them visas to enter Japan, since 1981. So get your facts straight you stupid idiot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.79.170.66 (talk) 23:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Asshole, have you got a brain? read THIS if you are able to do that! I don't give a fuck if you have seen all the members passports, you must verify it! Do you understand, now? Read THIS! --Born Again 83 (talk) 02:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey moron who lives with his parents and stays at his computer all day, the man was born in 1956, read their official biographies. Call Rod Smallwood at his office and ask him. You are a complete idiot. Everyone knows that those 1998 cds are all wrong. Look at all the other countries entries for Steve Harris, they are all 1956. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.79.170.66 (talk) 21:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

It seems you've got serious memory problems, dude! YOU MUST VERIFY WITH CONCRETE SOURCES WHAT YOU SAY, do you know what is a CONCRETE SOURCE, ignorant?! I don't say it is wrong because I'm not Steve's brother, but if you are able to understand YOU MUST VERIFY WITH CONCRETE SOURCES WHAT YOU SAY. Wake up because I don't repeat anymore! --Born Again 83 (talk) 11:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Chill guys. The liner notes of the remasters are full of errors. Steve was born in '56. I don't know how to convice you, Born Again 83, but the liner notes can't be trusted. The official biography on the other hand... I even remember their website stated he was born in 1956, back in the day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thucuth (talk • contribs) 13:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Steve was born in 1956. For some reason I don't know, the 1957 date got onto some official documentation, business documentation or something, and is probably still out there on someone's records. But he was registered for birth in 1956. You can find things like this on the public records on Ancestry.co.uk if you have time to do a lot of cross referencing. I more or less found it by chance while doing some business research for someone else and taking 10 mins off to poke around because of the debates. Also, to make life a lot simpler, he's just turned 60, even his daughter congratulated him for being 60, and its now 2016. I hope this helps. 212.159.59.41 (talk) 11:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Two fingers or three fingers?
How many fingers does he use to play? The external link provided says only two but since some people have changed it to three fingers (which I change back to two). So, two fingers or three fingers? — Prodigenous Zee - 11:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Stephen Percy Harris was born in 12 - 03 - 1957 and he plays the bass with 2 fingers (gallops) and he uses the thumb for chords ;-). and one more thing, he didn't buy his first bass when he was 17, he bought his firts bass with 15 year old. Sorry for my english, i'm spanish —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.121.108.186 (talk • contribs).
 * He uses his index for power chords, not his thumb. — Prodigenous Zee - 17:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

THUMB!!I'm sure

It's definately two fingers. And he puts his thumb and index finger together as thoguh he had a pick to play chords. MJPerry 12:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Bass Player magazine October 2006 issue. "I play with two fingers, except then I want to play a chord; then I splay out all of my right-hand fingers like a fan." ... "I keep the nails on my index and middle fingers just a bit longer."

its definitely 2, at live from abbey road which was on the tv, they performed halowed be thy name and hes said "alot of people think i play with three but its only 2" it looks like he uses three but as a bassist i can say that happpens automatically (ring finger moving with middle finger)

its three. im telling you its three. Even if the third is almost involuntary. if you dont believe it, try it.

Whatever his third finger is doing, Steve has said in print and on video that he uses two fingers to play his trademark fast riffs. He has even said that "people think it's 3". He even wiggled them to demonstrate on the Abbey Road broadcast. He grooms the nails on two fingers to get his sound. So if you put red paint on finger 3, it may well be seen to brush the string FTTT (though I suspect he has better control than that), but what he is actually playing with are fingers one and two. I know that finger 3 will always try and follow finger 2, they just do, but he seems very clear that he is not actually playing with it. He also uses different configs for things like the slow bit in the middle of Ancient Mariner, where he is alternating index finger and thumb, and fanning chords with all fingers, but I can't say I have ever noticed him using more than 2 fingers for any other purpose. I've also sat with a bass player friend and watched him play with two fingers and seen how it looks like he (the friend) is using 3 fingers, but he isn't.

It's not a massive deal. Alternating two fingers is the easiest way of playing very fast riffs, it seems. A player of the classical or folk guitar style would likely use 3 or 4, but Steve has not developed his playing in that direction. 212.159.59.41 (talk) 07:07, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Keyboards in maiden albums and fingers
Steve Harris has been Iron Maiden's principal keyboardist (other than at live shows and on a few songs where the work has been done by Michael Kenny) since keyboards were first used by the band on the album Seventh Son of a Seventh Son.

---This is not true. Somewhere in time was the first maiden album where they used Michael Kenny with keyboards and he uses three fingers as if he was using two, the index and the other two moving at the same time

Juan

Somewhere in Time had synths not keys (The Elfoid 11:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC))

Steve plays with three fingers. I had the pleasure of sitting back stage prior to a show and jammed around with him. He used the first three fingers plus his thumb. If anyone truely tryed to emulate his style, they'd find it nearly impossible to not use three fingers plus thumb.

Definitely 3 fingers. Just watch live after death. It's a travesty that you guys won't let this stand.Glorth2 19:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)Glorth2Glorth2 19:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Bass Player magazine October 2006 issue. "I play with two fingers, except then I want to play a chord; then I splay out all of my right-hand fingers like a fan." ... "I keep the nails on my index and middle fingers just a bit longer." — Prodigenous Zee - 05:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

It's more a travesty that despite the fact Harris has said on multiple occassions that he uses two fingers that YOU won't let it stand. So that's also made it pretty obvious you lied about "jamming around" with him. 82.44.185.5 12:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Football
I have changed "exceptional" to "talented". 'Exceptional' in a pro football context would mean that he ought to be playing for England now ... (which would be bad for us Maiden followers!). Please refer the following interview:

Shockwaves: Weren't you actually going into professional soccer at one point, before forming Iron Maiden? Steve: Yeah, I had trials but I didn't quite make the grade.

http://www.hardradio.com/shockwaves/maiden1.html Second question.

212.159.59.41 16:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

It says here that Steve gave up football for music, and cites Mick Wall. Actually Mick Wall's biog makes it pretty clear that Steve gave up football first, and then decided to turn to music while in the doldrums following his realisation that it wasn't the career for him. 212.159.59.41 (talk) 12:00, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Equipment
This page could probably use some info about Steve's rig - E tac

POV
This article is POV, "talented football player" "Harris's songwriting has been noted for, a galloping bass pattern (see below)and long, epic songs that feature many tempo changes" "Steve Harris is often considered among the best and most influential heavy metal bassists. "While he has proven skill with keyboards and at producing a synthesised sound," blah blah - All these claims have no references, tag's staying on until this kind of crap is removed. M3tal H3ad 12:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've done some re-wording, and tried to find some good references. If there are more specific parts of the article which you think need referencing (which I'm sure there are), just say. --DrBob 19:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no consensus to support move. JPG-GR (talk) 07:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

There are some other people with the same name, but it's clearly seen that more than 90% of the readers who come to Wikipedia looking for "Steve Harris" are looking for this specific one - The founder of Iron Maiden. - The other articles are just stubs of 3, 4, or 5 sentences each, which were created to have more people with that name and subsequently create a dismbiguation page. The information on the page Steve Harris can be moved to Steve Harris (disambiguation).  Rockk3r      Spit it Out!  23:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * How is it "clearly seen"? --Una Smith (talk) 05:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * To clarify: 29k hits for the musician; 8k hits for the actor, <200 hits for the others. (data for August from ). So it's a majority, but not 90% and perhaps not enough to mean primary use. Sam5 (talk) 09:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The articles don't even make it to five sentences each. Those articles were created so that there would be some people with the same name, that way you can create a DAB. Just surf the internet and look for "Steve Harris", tell me if you find any info about someone else other than Iron Maiden's founder.  Rockk3r      Spit it Out!  06:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the article for Steve Harris the actor was created in 2004, at the same time the dab was created, so your claim that the other articles were started to have a reason for a dab page is completely unfounded. We don't decide article titles based on what you or I think is "fair", we do so based on naming conventions. You have provided zero proof that this Steve Harris is the primary topic (i.e., 90% of the people on Wikipedia searching for "Steve Harris" are looking for this Steve Harris). Parsecboy (talk) 13:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Some of those stubs have not been edited in months, and I do not believe Rockk3r's claim that they were created in order to justify a disambiguation page. Also, their being stubs does not establish that this particular Steve Harris is the primary topic.  --Una Smith (talk) 06:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

They were all created in early 2007, and the cartoonist one was created in November, 2008. What does that tell you? Also, I think it's unfair to have Harris (Iron Maiden) disambiguated as musician, as the other articles won't get better than they already are, simply, because there's no info about them. If this doesn't "persuade" you, then tell me what does?  Rockk3r      Spit it Out!  08:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Rockk3r, you might find it helpful to read the discussions of some recent requests that are similar to this one. I have been keeping track of some of them, here.  --Una Smith (talk) 08:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose Having the largest article doesn't make that page the primary topic. The disambiguation page clearly shows 9 notable people called Steve Harris (plus all those listed as Stephen or Steven). As an aside it is not clear that Steve Harris (musician) is notable enough to have his own page, per WP:MUSICBIO. He has not been in multiple notable bands, nor does he appear to have had a solo career away from Iron Maiden. Tassedethe (talk) 10:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The fact that there are already 7 articles about people called Steve Harris suggests to me that maintaining the disambig page where it is is the best solution. --DAJF (talk) 11:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There are already lots of different Steve Harrises identifed and there will be more in the future. Making Steve Harris of Iron Maiden the primary use of the name is short sighted and will create more work and argument in the future. "Steve Harris" is a blatantly ambiguous title and has no clear primary useage now, or perhaps more importantly, in the future. The "Steve Harris" page should be the disambiguation page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WickerWiki (talk • contribs) 13:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per my comments above Parsecboy (talk) 13:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose, the musician may have a devoted fan base, but not so much as to unambiguously qualify as THE Steve Harris. older ≠ wiser 20:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Unlike, of course, THE Bruce Dickinson. (But seriously, another vote to Oppose here.) --Stormwatch (talk) 07:31, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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"Barnyard Studios"
The article currently says: ''Since the 1980s, Harris has owned a Grade II listed building in Sheering Essex, in the grounds of which he built his own recording and editing studio, "Barnyard". In November 2012, the nine-acre property was put on sale.'' It's officially called "Sheering Hall", and in 2015 he marked the price down to just under 5M GBP. See here: --BjKa (talk) 01:59, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2923393/Does-live-number-666-Iron-Maiden-bassist-sells-11-bed-5million-mansion-complete-pub-football-pitch.html
 * http://content.zoopla.co.uk/bcef5b29c6a8f1398342c47d3e6dbb75ad4318d0.pdf