Talk:Steve Huffman

Is the last section about the wrong person?
The section entitled "Viewpoints on Huffman's work by his peers" makes no sense.. I think it might be about some guy named "Steve Hoffman":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Hoffman_(audio_engineer)

That entire section makes no sense in the context of this page's other info.

January 29, 2015 @ 1:43 PM EST — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.210.129.209 (talk) 18:43, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I added a Distinguish template. Mz7 (talk) 22:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Huffman's recent statements
I'd advise against any users coming in from Reddit to add anything regarding Steve Huffman's admission to editing user posts, it's far too recent to add and there's very few sources other than the posts themselves. It's still developing and there simply not enough reason to add it to the article yet. You'll only get up getting into an edit war which will result in the article being locked. 51.37.38.145 (talk) 05:35, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

It's been two years, and there are numerous news stories about this. Is is still too recent? Baron ridiculous (talk) 15:02, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Moving "Comment modification controversy" section to Reddit article?
This section deals with a recent debacle at Reddit. Although the section specifically discusses his conduct in relation to that controversy, perhaps it would be more appropriate as a part of the Reddit article instead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digbybare (talk • contribs) 00:25, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Request to create Early life and education section
Hi there! On behalf of Mr. Huffman and Reddit, I've been working on a new draft for this article to provide a more developed version that is consistently sourced and expands on this stub. I've researched Mr. Huffman and created a full draft of what an updated article could look like based on secondary sourcing and in line with Wikipedia's standards. You can see my proposed draft in my user space. I've also made  to compare my draft with the current article.

Since I'm suggesting a full article rewrite, I'll split my proposed updates and share them section-by-section as to not overwhelm reviewing editors. To start, I'd like to propose the creation of a short new Early life and education section, as this is a standard section in biographical articles.

In this section, reviewing editors will see I have added new information on Mr. Huffman's hometown, programming at age 8, and graduation years at Wakefield School and University of Virginia. I'm also suggesting moving the existing mentions of Wakefield and UV from the Career section; since these details pertain to Mr. Huffman's life prior to his career. This new section can then be further developed over time, if needed.

As I do have a financial conflict of interest, since I'm making this suggestion on behalf of Mr. Huffman as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I won't make any edits to the article myself. Instead, I welcome input from uninvolved editors and assistance taking live changes as appropriate.

I've noticed that Opencooper has made constructive edits to this article recently. Would you be interested and able to look into this request? Thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 23:07, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * This specific section looks good to me, and I've confirmed that the citations support the information stated. Opencooper (talk) 23:31, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for reviewing my request, Opencooper! Would you be willing to make the changes in the article? Due to my financial COI, I don't edit articles directly. Thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 21:07, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Done (by the way, I left some small feedback on the talk page of the draft if you want to check that out as well). Opencooper (talk) 21:40, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! And I appreciate the feedback on the full draft, too. I'll dive in there and update, then I'll ping back here with my next request soon. Thanks again, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 21:16, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Request to update Career section
Hi there! On behalf of Mr. Huffman and Reddit, I'm back to propose an update for this article's Career section. First, I wanted to note that I've updated the full draft in my user space based on feedback from Opencooper shared on the Talk page of my proposed draft. If any editors are interested to see my overall proposal for this article, you can check out  to compare my draft with the current article.

For the Career section specifically, reviewing editors will see I am proposing adding new content on:
 * Mr. Huffman's early efforts in developing Reddit with Alexis Ohanian
 * The sale of Reddit to Conde Nast, and Mr. Huffman's continued role until 2009
 * Mr. Huffman's life after leaving Reddit in 2009
 * Mr. Huffman's return to Reddit
 * Mr. Huffman's initiatives after returning to Reddit (implementing new content guidelines, developing apps, fixing Reddit's mobile site, creating A/B testing infrastructure, adding video and image hosting, and site redesign)
 * A controversy where Mr. Huffman altered posts on The_Donald subreddit, and his apology

Additionally, I made the following changes in the proposed updated section:
 * Tightened up language surrounding issues of Reddit and free speech
 * Moved Mr. Huffman's Udacity classes out from Career to Personal life

As I do have a financial conflict of interest, since I'm making this suggestion on behalf of Mr. Huffman as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I won't make any edits to the article myself. Instead, I welcome input from uninvolved editors and assistance taking live changes as appropriate. Would you be interested to look at this request, too? Thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 16:19, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Following up on our discussion from my Talk page: did you have any questions or feedback on this proposed Career section? Happy to answer any questions. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 14:10, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, apologies for the weeklong delay. I've just gone through all the references to verify them. Everything has checked out, great work with the citations. On to content issues, here's my feedback:


 * When you paraphrase Huffman saying "that exist solely to [...] make Reddit worse for everyone else", the full quote is "We are banning a handful of communities that exist solely to annoy other Redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else." The "solely" part is about annoying other Redditors, while the "making Reddit worse for everyone else" is "generally". So perhaps when this is added the wording should just be changed to "generally make Reddit worse for everyone else"?


 * I'm was originally iffy on the inclusion of the debacle that occurred with him altering posts, but it seems to have also been covered in Business Insider, so it doesn't seem like undue weight anymore to me and is fine.


 * So overall there aren't really any problems with the section (it was just large, so it took me a while to get to, sorry). Since these changes will be the biggest proposed, I'll wait a day to allow any other interested editors—if any—to voice any opinions and then I'll make the edits. I don't see anything potentially controversial in the upcoming sections so those will probably be fast to incorporate. Opencooper (talk) 15:58, 28 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much, Opencooper! I'm fine with the change you suggest re: "generally make Reddit worse for everyone else", and appreciate your note about the "spezgiving" situation. I'll admit I was also unsure at first about including but felt that it was best to do so given the extent of coverage in quality sources. Let me know if you have any other notes or questions, otherwise I'll hang tight and see if there's any feedback from others. Cheers, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 20:33, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Opencooper (talk) 23:51, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, Opencooper! Really appreciate your review and making the updates, and sorry for my own delay here in thanking you, as I've been traveling this week (taking my first ever trip to South America!). I'll be back here soon with my next request for this article. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 19:39, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries, enjoy your trip! Opencooper (talk) 00:27, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Before I propose my next request (for updates to Personal life), just wanted to quickly ping Opencooper: Can you fix a ref name for me in Career? Can you rename  to  ? I somehow had the wrong reference name there, many apologies for that mix up. Thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 22:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Opencooper (talk) 22:55, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks so so much! Appreciate your help. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 22:57, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Request to update Personal life section
Hi again! On behalf of Mr. Huffman and Reddit, I'm back to propose an update for this article's Personal life section. You can check out  to compare how my proposed Personal life section differs from the current article. To explain my changes: the current Personal life section is one sentence long, describing Mr. Huffman as a "prepper", so I am seeking to expand the information based on available sourcing.

Specifically, I'm proposing the following additions and edits:
 * Adding Mr. Huffman's residence
 * Adding his work at coding bootcamps and e-learning courses
 * Adding his role on the board of advisors for the Anti-Defamation League's Center for Technology and Society
 * Adding his ballroom dancing
 * Reverting the term "prepper" back to "survivalist", as this it is arguably a more commonly understood and neutral term

As I do have a financial conflict of interest, since I'm making this suggestion on behalf of Mr. Huffman as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I won't make any edits to the article myself. Instead, as always, I welcome input from uninvolved editors and assistance taking live changes as appropriate. Would you like to continue reviewing these requests? Thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 22:57, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The references all check out and nothing potentially against WP:BLP, especially with more neutral wording and expanded focus now. I've made the edit. Opencooper (talk) 23:04, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, Opencooper! I have just a few more suggestions for this page, so I'll be back with the next one soon. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 21:44, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Request to add Net neutrality activism section
Hi again! On behalf of Mr. Huffman and Reddit, I'm back to propose an entirely new section briefly detailing Huffman's net neutrality activism. You can see how I suggest this information could fit into the article in . I'd like to propose adding this new section for Net neutrality activism in between the Career and Personal life sections. The section is based on reliable secondary sources to explain Mr. Huffman's advocacy for net neutrality rules.

As I do have a financial conflict of interest, since I'm making this suggestion on behalf of Mr. Huffman as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I won't make any edits to the article myself. Instead, as always, I welcome input from uninvolved editors and assistance taking live changes as appropriate. Would you like to continue reviewing these requests? (After this one, I only have the introduction and infobox left!) Thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 03:21, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay. Well-supported by the sources used and covered enough to warrant its own subsection. Done. Opencooper (talk) 06:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Opencooper! Really appreciate your help reviewing these requests. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 19:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Request to update intro + infobox
Hi again! On behalf of Mr. Huffman and Reddit, I'm back to propose a few updates to the introduction and infobox. Once again, you can compare my suggested edits against the live article by viewing . My suggestions for each are as follows:


 * Add residence
 * Provide independent source for Other names
 * Add co-founder of Hipmunk to Occupation
 * Add Reddit to Employer


 * Change "better known on Reddit as spez" to "also known by his Reddit username spez"
 * Change "American web developer and the co-founder and current CEO of content sharing website Reddit" to "American web developer and entrepreneur. He is the co-founder and CEO of Reddit, a social news and discussion website, which ranks in the top 10 websites in the world"
 * Change "More recently, he also participated in co-founding the airfare search-engine site Hipmunk" to "He also co-founded the airfare search-engine website Hipmunk"
 * I want to note here that I have removed a NYT source that appears in my draft in user space so I'm not over-citing; and I'd suggest removing the citations re: Hipmunk, since that is cited in the article body. I've included those for now, since they're in the current introduction

As I do have a financial conflict of interest, since I'm making this suggestion on behalf of Mr. Huffman as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I won't make any edits to the article myself. Instead, as always, I welcome input from uninvolved editors and assistance taking live changes as appropriate. Would you also like to review this request? Thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 02:35, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Citations for information cited in the lead also removed. Opencooper (talk) 04:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yet again, thanks so much! Now that this article is considerably updated, I was wondering if you think we can remove its stub status?


 * Also, what do you think of removing the "Not to be confused with Steve Hoffman" hatnote? The decision to add the hatnote followed the addition of some errant content in 2015, and the "Steve Hoffman" page is actually a disambiguation page, so there is not one single Steve Hoffman that he may (or may not) be frequently confused with. What do you think: is this still necessary?


 * Lastly, I'm waiting to see if Reddit might have a new image of Mr. Huffman to upload to Wikimedia Commons. If you don't mind, I may ping you if that comes through. Thanks! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 01:36, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Stub tag removed.


 * Regarding the hatnote, I don't have a strong opinion towards keeping or removing it. distinguish tags can be used for people whose names sound similar or are typed similarly, even if the people themselves have nothing to do with each other and are in different fields with little chance of confusion. Perhaps you could propose that as another edit and see if anyone else has any input (though judging from the past proposals there likely won't be).


 * About any new images, I don't mind you pinging me if anything comes up. Personally I think the current image is pretty decent as far as BLP images go (many are taken on potatoes or in atrocious lighting conditions, with the subjects having very unflattering expressions) with good focus, sharpness, a dynamic pose, and high resolution, other than the wide aspect ratio for a portrait. But if a better freely licensed image becomes available, I don't see why not. Opencooper (talk) 05:00, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2023
Incorrect spelling of the word "access" in the text about the recent api changes for reddit Pookee006 (talk) 14:40, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Beccaynr (talk) 14:58, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Clarification of number of downvotes received by him during AMA
In actuality he received downvotes in thousands. You can check out those comments in reddit if you want. Curious how to add it in the article. 42.110.136.74 (talk) 19:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I removed the quote from the Verge that was published on June 9, and added content from a June 10 Verge source with more generaliszed and specific reporting about responses to the AMA. If there is an independent and reliable source that reports on the downvotes and is clearly reporting after the AMA concluded, this could also be added - without an independent and reliable source finding the detail noteworthy, adding it to the article based only on the reddit AMA itself likely lacks the weight needed to support inclusion according to our neutral point of view policy. Beccaynr (talk) 21:04, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2023
Request to add detail to make this sentence more accurate:

In response to the announced plan to begin charging some third-party apps outrageous costs for access to its API, several third-party apps, including Apollo, announced that they would shut down services.[44]

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Any phrasing is fine, as long as it makes clear that the issue is not being charged, it's how much is being charged. I can provide many sources if that's necessary for this type of edit. IDC OliveIt (talk) 17:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 17:25, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

New statements made by him
For clarification, please check https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/16/reddit-ceo-blackout-moderators-steve-huffman/ 117.197.225.147 (talk) 16:27, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Steve Huffman's Birth Date
Steve Huffman is born in November 12, 1983. https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/steve-huffman-51180.php Finarchy (talk) 20:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That website is a very far cry from meeting Wikipedia's reliable sourcing criteria.-- Ponyo bons mots 21:10, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This date is indicated on all sites Finarchy (talk) 21:12, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Per policy, the requirement for adding the date of birth is that it has been widely-published in reliable sources with a reputation for accuracy and fact checking. Appearing on user-generated sites and content scrapers does not meet the requirement.-- Ponyo bons mots 22:12, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

2023 Planned API Changes
I would like to raise a concern regarding the "2023 Planned API Changes" section. Upon reading the section, I noticed that it gives the impression that the protests solely revolved around the changes to the API. I believe that the situation is more nuanced than that. In my understanding, the discontent expressed by many users was not primarily about Reddit charging for the service itself, but rather the exorbitant rate and the extremely short notice given for the change. Most individuals were upset due to the lack of transparency and the suddenness of the decision, rather than the concept of charging for the service itself. I think the section should reflect this broader perspective to accurately represent the community's concerns. The protests weren't just about the API changes; they were about the lack of transparency and the suddenness of the decision. I kindly request that the section be revised to reflect this nuance and to avoid generalizing. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I appreciate the hard work and dedication put into maintaining the accuracy and integrity of Wikipedia articles. MasonJar55 (talk) 05:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The section can reflect the "broader perspective" you note if that broader perspective is covered by reliable sources as opposed to your interpretation of event. -- Ponyo bons mots 18:23, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Ponyo, I appreciate your prompt response to my concerns. I understand the importance of adhering to Wikipedia's policies, including the Reliable Source and No Original Research policies, to maintain the accuracy and integrity of the information presented on the platform.
 * I would like to clarify my intention in posting the message on the talk page. My primary objective was not to push for the inclusion of my personal interpretation but rather to seek assistance in finding reliable sources that adequately cover the broader perspective I mentioned. I apologize if my message may have appeared otherwise.
 * You mentioned that the section can reflect the "broader perspective" if supported by reliable sources. While I have been unable to find such sources myself, there are prominent figures within the community, like Christian Selig, the developer of the Apollo app, who share views similar to those I expressed. Additionally, numerous Reddit users have been voicing their discontent with the situation, emphasizing the exorbitant rate, extremely short notice, and lack of transparency as major concerns.
 * I understand that discussions surrounding this issue on Reddit may be emotionally charged, leading to some unconstructive behavior. Many users who have managed to express their thoughts in a more measured manner have come to a consensus on the importance of highlighting the broader context of the protests beyond just the API changes. However, it's important to keep in mind that Reddit is not considered a reliable source according to Wikipedia's guidelines.
 * Given this consensus among some members of the community and the relevance of these concerns to the overall topic, I kindly request assistance from other contributors in locating reliable sources that can support the inclusion of this nuanced perspective in the section. This way, we can ensure a more comprehensive and accurate representation of the community's concerns regarding the planned API changes.
 * Once again, thank you for taking the time to engage with my message, and I look forward to collaborating with the Wikipedia community to improve the article's accuracy and neutrality.
 * Best regards, MasonJar55 (talk) 01:39, 29 July 2023 (UTC)