Talk:Steve Lacy

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Regarding the subject's notability, an article about him in Wired was published a few days ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.136.41.205 (talk) 14:16, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Please do NOT remove the AfD banners on the article draft page
Thank you.
 * -Bmegrl9113 (talk) 22:05, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Submitting Draft to Become an Article
Please send me a message if you want to submit this draft again. Thank you.
 * -Bmegrl9113 (talk) 03:08, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Please DO NOT remove the writing discography section
Only remove it if making a writing discography draft article for Steve Lacy. He does not yet have his own main article, so please do not delete that section from this current article draft otherwise. Thank you. Bmegrl9113 (talk) 18:07, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Is there any need to tag an edit as possible BLP issue or vandalism if there was no intent in vandalizing?
Serious question. Most people are going to think someone with the name 'Steve' has a full birth name of 'Steven' or 'Stephen', just saying.
 * -Bmegrl9113 (talk) 11:34, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Alternate parentheses - move title
As Lacy is clearly become notable for being a singer-songwriter, I believe his parentheses should be moved to Steve Lacy (singer-songwriter) - away from (guitarist). CaffeinAddict (talk) 04:57, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I agree, there should definitely be an update to the article name. Lacy is a musician, not just a guitarist. But I also think he could even get the main billing of Steve Lacy on here. He's probably the most notable Steve Lacy at this point, especially with a Wikipedia page. He has been well known for the past few years, and has been getting a ton of recognition lately. ChartsFan001 (talk) 19:20, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

I also agree because of the reasons that you and the other person stated. dksn123 (talk) 02:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 3 October 2022

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Steve Lacy (singer). Those who oppose contend that it may be too soon to move to the primary topic title, arguing that the high page views are a result of recentism and also on long-term significance. However, it is noted that this article has been getting high amount of page views since 2019. Nonetheless, the consensus is that it is too soon for now to move to the primary topic title, and recognising that an update to the parenthetical qualifier should be carried out. Of the various qualifiers presented, (singer) has the most support. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 17:02, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

– It is pretty clear that this Steve Lacy has become the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Steve Lacy. If you take a look at page statistics for other Steve Lacy's and compare them to the statistics for this one, you can see clearly see that this one is the most sought after. The (guitarist) disambiguation also doesn't cover Steve Lacy perfectly as he is more known for his activity as a singer-songwriter. Changing it to Steve Lacy would kill two birds with one stone. Célestin Denis (talk) 18:50, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Steve Lacy (guitarist) → Steve Lacy
 * Steve Lacy → Steve Lacy (disambiguation)
 * Oppose per long-term significance, although a better disambiguator should probably be chosen.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:08, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This Steve Lacy is getting about 30 times more visits then all the other Steve Lacy's combined, I think it's fair to say that people expect this Steve Lacy to show up. Célestin Denis (talk) 23:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * These pageviews are high as a result of recentism; Bad Habit (Steve Lacy song) is number 1 right now. As time goes by, the pageviews will go down.  While I agree that the current "guitarist" tag is bad, I think it's too early to make this article the primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 16:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support with the fact that this page gets more visits than other Steve Lacy's according to Célestin Denis and that this Steve Lacy is more than a guitarist. It would probably still be reasonable to choose a different disambiguator though. dksn123 (talk) 00:51, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Ortizesp and per comment by 162 etc. There are five men listed upon the Steve Lacy disambiguation page and positing that this one has greater notability than the other four combined is a step WP:TOOSOON. Perhaps in a year or two. As for the parenthetical qualifier, on January 21, 2020, the main title header was moved to Steve Lacy (musician born 1998), but that move was reverted within an hour by another editor. Perhaps Steve Lacy (musician, born 1998) should be again taken into consideration, with Steve Lacy (saxophonist), who was also a composer, considered for a move to Steve Lacy (musician, born 1934). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If moving to Steve Lacy is too soon, I propose the simple and effective: Steve Lacy (singer). Yes, this doesn't cover his work as a guitarist but singing is what he's mostly known for. This differentiation also shouldn't confuse people, the other Steve Lacy did not sing. I don't think it's too soon, after all Steve Lacy has been a massive pop star for a while and already, in my opinion, solidified his impact as the primary topic. 3 of the 5 Steve Lacy's are notable but not particularly famous and the saxophonist's popularity does not compare to the massive popularity of the singer. Most people looking up Steve Lacy expect this one. Célestin Denis (talk) 01:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Any disambiguation should follow WP:SINGERDAB. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:00, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Among the occupations listed in the lead sentence — Steve Lacy (guitarist), Steve Lacy (singer), Steve Lacy (songwriter) or Steve Lacy (producer) — I would likewise support the parenthetical qualifier that appears to be the most intuitive — Steve Lacy (singer). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:06, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Added move of associated dab, so I can support. |Steve_Lacy_(saxophonist)|Steve_Lacy_(coach)|Steve_Lacy_(businessman)|Steve_Lacy_(athlete) Cutting out the recent spike in views, we can see that the singer-songwriter has had roughly a 10k views a month since July 2019 if not earlier. So this has been primary topic by views for about three years. This is also borne out by the July and August 2022 WikiNav data (scroll down for August 2022's raw numbers). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:00, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support to an extent. I definitely agree that an update should be made to the title, as Steve Lacy has since evolved from being just known as a guitarist. Although, I also understand how it might be too soon to give Lacy the main title. Perhaps a better disambiguation is more necessary, such as Steve Lacy (singer) or Steve Lacy (singer-songwriter). I would say those titles are more accurate at this point. ChartsFan001 (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 5 May 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved per WP:Primary Topic (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc . talk  20:19, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

– It's been over six months since the last move discussion. He's now won a grammy, been nominated in two major categories, and was named as one of the most influential people in the world by Time. It |Steve_Lacy_(coach)|Steve_Lacy_(businessman)|Steve_Lacy_(athlete)|Steve_Lacy_(singer) seems clear that the singer is the primary topic. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 18:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Steve Lacy (singer) → Steve Lacy
 * Steve Lacy → Steve Lacy (disambiguation)
 * Support I didn't even know there were multiple notable Steve Lacy's, but yes, he's definitely got the highest profile in the bunch now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oltrepier (talk • contribs) 08:16, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Added moved of associated dab. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:18, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Steve_Lacy indicates that there were 816 views of the list, and 410 views of the proposed primary topic, which is ~50%. Do you think the list is incomprehensible to a significant part of the average readers? If not, why do you think the other ~50% of viewers need to be short-circuited to this one and then have to click a hatnote? --Joy (talk) 07:47, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * What graph are you looking at? The one I see says that 80% of outgoing pageviews are going to the singer. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 14:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is near the top of the WikiNav page. --Joy (talk) 20:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is at the top of the WikiNav page for me, and it looks like a lot more than 50% of clicks are going to the singer. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 01:21, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Please read the text immediately above that graph, and hover with the mouse over the singer part of the graph to confirm that number. --Joy (talk) 19:18, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh I see what you're saying. I'd still argue that we should use the 80% statistic, as you only get 50% if you consider all 816 views and not just the 505 that clicked on a link. Why are we taking into consideration the three-hundred people who apparently just enjoy reading disambiguation pages for fun? The Midnite Wolf (talk) 20:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't we be taking them into consideration? For example, what if they're people who are looking for your singer but not finding him? --Joy (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that only help my case? Regardless, we have no way of knowing what their motives are. Of the people whose motives we do know, 80% were looking for the singer. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 06:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed it might. The issue with your case is that you don't seem to be applying a modicum of rigor. I don't think we should proceed with this change based on this weak of an argument. The threshold for WP:PTOPIC is higher than this. --Joy (talk) 13:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Both pageviews analysis and wikinav show the singer getting more traffic than all other topics combined, and being nominated for two of the highest awards in popular music is more than enough to show long-term significance. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 18:40, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No, a single statistic showing barely 50%, at a volume of only hundreds, does not actually prove the average usage is more than all other topics combined. --Joy (talk) 17:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and as the guy who started the other move request a while back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Célestin Denis (talk • contribs) 01:58, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. (Note for clarification on the graphs I'm posting: prior to 13 October 2022, the singer's article was at Steve Lacy (guitarist).) Even before the release of the singer's 2022 album shot him into six-figure monthly pageviews, he was pulling |Steve_Lacy_(saxophonist)|Steve_Lacy_(coach)|Steve_Lacy_(businessman)|Steve_Lacy_(runner)|Steve_Lacy_(guitarist) 6.5 times as many monthly pageviews as all other figures named Steve Lacy combined. With July 2022 and beyond factored in, the pageview gulf grows |Steve_Lacy_(saxophonist)|Steve_Lacy_(coach)|Steve_Lacy_(businessman)|Steve_Lacy_(runner)|Steve_Lacy_(guitarist) dramatically wider. A clear primary topic. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:18, 12 May 2023 (UTC)