Talk:Steve McQueen/Archive 1

Initial messages
The anniversary of Steve's birth will soon be coming up. Has any consideration been given to releasing his filmography as an anniversary edition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.235.182 (talk) 22:07, 12 April 2004 (UTC)
 * If you want complete filmographies, go to IMDB. Thorne 18:01, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

First/Birth Name
The Social Security Death Index shows his first name as "Terrance". Terence is the most popular spelling on google, with Terrence behind that and Terrance being extremely rare. I'm not going to change it without more proof that this, but given the circumstances of his childhood I'm tempted to believe the spelling in the SSDI. Thorne 18:01, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I have changed the spelling of Steve's birth name to Terrence. Admittedly there is wide disagreement and confusion about this, and admittedly also the IMDB lists the spelling as Terence. However, on the basis that most of the better McQueen biographies, including those by Christopher Sandford and Tim Satchell, list the spelling as Terrence, and given the fact that his grandson is called Terrence Steven McQueen II (pretty good evidence that his own son thinks that is the correct spelling), I have changed it to Terrence. Johnnyparker (talk) 10:04, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Asbestos
The article refers to McQueen using an "asbestos soaked rag" to cover his mouth. That's nonsense - asbestos is not a liquid and things cannot be "soaked" in it - but I haven't changed it because I don't know what meaning, if any, was intended. 67.158.72.8 04:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Opening paragraph defies NPOV
With statements such as "With penetrating slate-blue eyes, unconventional and craggy good-looks, he had a rugged machismo presence. Sometimes flashing an insolent smirk, he projected a tenaciously undaunted and captivating on-screen persona that also extended into his off-screen life", the opening paragraph of this article defies NPOV, and has been tagged for improvement. Hall Monitor 18:44, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Cause of Death
"Dr. Kelley.com has the cause of death of Steve as - murdered in the hospital having had the cancer removed which was cured and because of a phone call to the Doctor which was intercepted by FBI likely sent the actor to his death." 216.165.11.242 23:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds like typical weird conspiracy nonsense of which the internet is a haven for.

Of note, Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez ( http://www.dr-gonzalez.com ) has been treating cancer patients much better than conventional doctors. NIH even sponsored a clinical trial of 10 patients with pancreatic cancer and their survival rate is much higher than those treated conventionally. Dr. Kelly's work of treating cancer are quite similar to the method of Dr. Gonzalez. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.244.102.2 (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Your edits have been reverted because they are not relevant to the article subject, Steve McQueen. Perhaps another article would be more appropriate as long as you provide adequate references. Alanraywiki (talk) 18:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Height
Read this interview with his first wife Neile Adams, she says quote "I've got his passports to prove that he was 5'10 1/2", 5'11" http://www.mcqueenonline.com/neilemcqueentoffel.htm  - 13:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The article states that "he was known to wear lifts," but gives no citation for this. I'm curious to know what the implication is, in this case: would wearing lifts necessarily mean that he wasn't 5'10"? Perhaps they would be necessary in order to remain eye-to-eye (on screen) with someone taller than that. Does an "official" height listing mean that the studio is going to take great pains to ensure that the actors (and their characters) never appear to be any taller/shorter than that on film? Also, oddly enough, Barry Norman's account of McQueen's height is included at the exclusion of the statement given by McQueen's first wife. You'd think if anybody knew how tall the guy was, it'd be her, and she seems to be the only one so far with any actual documentation. Precise or not, if his height is that big of a deal then I think a passport is worth mentioning. intooblv (talk) 08:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, my U.S. passport has no mention of my height. Monkeyzpop (talk) 12:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Edits from Banned User HC and IPs
1) and all of his sockpuppets are EXPRESSLY banned for life.

2) Be on the look out for any edits from these IP addresses:
 * AOL NetRange: 92.8.0.0 - 92.225.255.255
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Photo
I don't know if anyone has noticed anything special about the photo posted on the page?
 * Is posting that picture off a book legal? TheCooler 19:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure about that, but have you taken a close look at what McQueen is holding in his hand? Minerva nine 06:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * According to profanity it seems like it should be gotten rid of. Entirely unnecessary for the content of the article.  I'm removing the picture from the page. Whursey 05:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

--Bdelisle 08:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The Great Escape Jump
This page credits McQueen with the jump over the fence, but later credits Bud Ekins with making the jump. The Great Escape DVD extras have an interview with Ekins wherein Ekins states that he made the jump. With McQueen dead and many years between the event and Ekins' interview I see little reason for Ekins to maintain a lie for "insurance reasons". Is there any reference to McQueen actually making the jump? If not, the first statement should be corrected.71.133.246.82 21:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Unreferenced Christian stuff
I removed the following unreferenced "data":


 * Upon his death, they found his Bible in his hands, open to the Letter of Titus, with his finger pointing to the verse shown him by Billy Graham.

If you can provide an authoritative reference (ie, from someone who actually witnessed it - not "they"), put it back in.--Oscar Bravo 15:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It is referenced reliably in Steve McQueen : Portrait of an American Rebel.  But the verse was John 3:16  —Preceding unsigned comment added by  01:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

when I read this Christian propaganda I thought I was going to throw up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.187.190.208 (talk) 14:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Notorious BIG lyric...
The line "Y'all already know, new kid on the scene / breaking out the box like my man Steve McQueen" has never been uttered by Biggie, especially not in Gimme the Loot.
 * And who would care anyway? 207.210.29.71 (talk) 01:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Question about sequence of marriages in Infobox
Steve McQueen was married three times, as verified in the Infobox. I question the sequence in which the marriages are listed. In the Infobox, the marriages are listed from last to first. It is protocol to list the marriages from first to last. I might be a good idea to rearrange the sequence of Steve McQueen's marriages in the Infobox from "last to first" to "first to last." Anthony22 17:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

McQueen and Martial Arts
Steve was not EVER trained by Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris. He asked both about giving him lessons and they both recommended that he approach Pat Johnson instead. Johnson trained him. The Parsnip! 18:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Once again, McQueen was NOT TRAINED BY BRUCE LEE. I have referenced this. Keep putting in that he was trained by Lee and/or Chuck Norris and I'll keep removing it. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 01:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Bruce Lee talked about training Steve McQueen in the interview in Pierre Burton show (also knows as the Lost Interview). You can watch it on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRdTJi0v3fQ&feature=related


 * Pierre: of all your students, famous, James Garner, Steve McQueen, Lee Marvin, James Coburn, Roman Polanski, which was the best? Who adapted best to this oriental form of exercise and defense?


 * Bruce Lee: well, that depends...as a fighter, Steve..Steve McQueen..now, he is good in that department because, that son of a gun has got the toughness in him....


 * Pierre: I see it on the screen....


 * Bruce Lee: I mean, he would say, all right baby, here I am, man, you know, and he''ll do it!


 * So Steve WAS TRAINED BY BRUCE LEE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.101.94.56 (talk) 15:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't care what Bruce Lee (who was known for embellishment) said in some interview you found on Youtube. The authoritative McQueen biography I've read, written by Marshall Terrill, which has the blessing of his family and was written with the cooperation and participation of all of his wives/exwives, children, etc., states that he was not trained by Bruce Lee and that this is a common misconception. He was trained by Pat Johnson. McQueen and Lee may have sparred once or twice but this is not training. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 17:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect info on "An Enemy of the people"
The article says it was never released on VHS, but it was. Do an ebay search and you'll find legit studio released copies (rare but they exist).


 * Actually the article says it's "currently unavailable on VHS or DVD," not the same thing as "never released." Monkeyzpop (talk) 02:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * check again, it says "never released" —Preceding unsigned comment added by IDarreni (talk • contribs) 12:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I did check again. Turns out the article said "never released" in one section and then in a later (inappropriate) section, it repeated the information, only this time saying "currently unavailable."  I've fixed it. Monkeyzpop (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

if this means anything to anybody: In 1980 I was an acting student of Eric Christmas, who was in "Enemy" with McQween. He had a personal copy which he showed us. Eric told us that McQueen had made the decision not to release the film because he felt that his performance was well below those of the other actors in the film, who were mostly stage actors. I would agree with this opinion, whether McQueen had it or not. He was a great actor, but out of his comfort area in this piece. I don't know if this is true...or just another of those great Theatre stories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.121.231.73 (talk) 21:54, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Was McQueen adopted?
Slovak Republic's Foreign Ministry site (www.mzv.sk) claims that Steve's birth name before an adoption by the McQueens was Štefan Ihnačák (pronounce as Shtefan Ihnachaak). - 17:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) This is the ENGLISH version of Wikipedia. Asking us to go to a website in a different language isn't going to fly.
 * 2) Do you have a United States adoption record (in English)? If so, lets see it.
 * 3) All of the edits from this IP address (80.120.174.245) have been used purely for vandalism to date, why should we now take it seriously? Your pattern of editing gives you zero credibility.
 * 4) We need: verifiable sources in English
 * IP4240207xx (talk) 20:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Under the "Hobbies" section, the writer states that Steve Mcqueen "Was to co-drive in a Triumph 2500 PI for the British Leyland team in the 1970 London-Mexico rally, but had to turn it down due to movie commitments". I fail to see how this qualifies as a "hobby". I think it should be changed to something more general regarding Mcqueen's skill and liking of cars. SP4 (talk) 21:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 16:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "William F% Nolan" :
 * William F. Nolan. McQueen. 1984. Condon & Weed Inc. ISBN 0312925263
 * William F. Nolan. McQueen, 1984, Condon & Weed Inc., ISBN 0-312-92526-3.

Requested move
Undiscussed move. As the comment on the talk page says ''Are you joking? There should absolutely not be a redirect to the disambiguation page from one of the worlds most iconic actors ever''. If ever there was a primary topic it would be Steve McQueen. Most of the other articles on the dab page are direct references to the actor. I suggest Steve McQueen (actor) is moved back to Steve McQueen, with Steve McQueen moved to Steve McQueen (disambiguation). Tassedethe (talk) 23:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've moved the page; there is quite clearly a primary topic involved here. Also, the original move was not uncontroversial in the first place, so it definitely needed to be discussed first. Parsecboy (talk) 23:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That all happened so fast I thought I'd put a move request in for a page that was in the right place all along. Tassedethe (talk) 23:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Re unjustified slam from anonymous IP 4.240.159.123 regarding citations
Should you read this, please note that I did not place the citation you were concerned about there, but merely adjusted the spelling of its title after someone else place the cite. I have provided citations of my own for my edits regarding the tumors in McQueen's abdomen. To mistake someone else's edit for mine is excusable, but to make accusations in the tone you did on my talk page is against Wikipedia guidelines for civility and presumption of good faith. Also, if you wish to leave messages for people, you might do well to register so that your concerns can be addressed personally.Monkeyzpop (talk) 22:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No, what you DID do was change the word "lung" to the "stomach" while leaving the reference that had the word "lung" in place, when the reference does not contain the word "stomach" anywhere. So, in effect you used the reference to reference the word "stomach" when it does not. This is the same as adding false information. This just in: John F. Kennedy died of lead poisoning. - 4.240.159.123 (talk) 23:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If -- IF -- I did so, which I don't recall doing, it was an honest mistake and did not call for the tone of accusation in your posts, both the first one and now this one. WP:GOODFAITH is one of the first guidelines of Wikipedia.  You showed neither good faith nor courtesy, that I could find. Monkeyzpop (talk) 07:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

OSHA and Steve McQueen's widow
When I went to trade school, it was aledged (sp?) by an instructor that _IF_ any one person could be credited for the creation of OSHA, then that person would be Steve McQueen's widow. Can anyone verify this? I'd like to know I'm speaking the truth before I place such a comment in the article. LP-mn (talk) 20:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm... I just found out that OSHA was created in 1970 and Steve McQueen died in 1980. Something does not match here... LP-mn (talk) 20:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What? Is your instructor Jeff Spicoli?


 * What about Jack Hardesty? Hardesty, a federal public information officer (National Bureau of Standards, the Public Health Service, the Environmental Protection Agency and the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health) who worked on major health issues including black lung disease and anti-smoking campaigns, and who is credited with planting the idea that became the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 to his brother, Robert Hardesty, a presidential speechwriter for Lyndon B. Johnson.  Johnson gave a speech on May 23, 1966 (legislation takes a little time to formulate), that started out by talking about worker health and safety, and then during the speech LBJ directed the secretary of health, education and welfare, John W. Gardner, to come up with legislation that he could introduce for worker health.  Next, he asked Senator Ralph Yarborough [D-Texas] to draft legislation that was eventually endorsed and signed by President Nixon.  This had to do with West Virgina coal miners that contracted black lung disease in the late 1960s (SEE: Federal Coal Mine Health and Safety Act of 1969). Nowhere near a film set. Somebody is smokin' something. - 4.240.117.96 (talk) 21:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * PS: I believe Barbara Minty would have been about 11 years old in 1966. - 4.240.117.96 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC).

Like I said, something doesn't match. Glad I brought the topic up here, in the discussion area, instead of just posting the info without a double check! LP-mn (talk) 00:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Marines
I would like to see citations for corroboration of McQueen's supposed exploits while in the service. If he truly "saved the lives of five Marines" there ought to be an official citation or a reliable witness around to attest to this act of valor. Bob Higgins (talk) 00:21, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Insofar as Wikipedia guidelines are concerned, the exploits ARE cited, in that they are sourced to a published book. What you are asking, while very much in line with a justifiable desire to know and make public the actual truth about the exploits, is not necessary to fulfill Wikipedia's standards.  Verifiability, as in the citing of a published source, is the guideline for WP, not actual truth.  That's a little hard to take at times, for many of us.  But it's how WP works.  The items mentioned are well cited.  If actual truth differs, it can only be listed if it also can be cited to a published source.  If you find one, I'd love you to provide it so that the article can benefit therefrom. Monkeyzpop (talk) 01:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Introduction is wrong
McQueen did not do the car chase in Bullitt, it was stunt driver Bud Ekins who did, as Ekins' wiki page correctly states. (92.11.202.89 (talk) 20:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC))
 * If you have a source for that then you can change it. There is no source in the Bud Ekins article either.  D C E dwards 1966  20:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

William Redfield's biography of McQueen states that Ekins did nearly all his stunts, including the car chase in Bullitt. (92.11.202.89 (talk) 21:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC))
 * As a banned-for-life sockpuppet, you have no say whatsoever in the contents of this or any other Wikipedia article. Your edits will be reverted without explanation wherever they are found, regardless of citation, worthiness, or appropriateness. Monkeyzpop (talk) 21:51, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Huh? What are you talking about? This article needs to stop giving false information. (92.11.202.89 (talk) 22:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC))
 * Which biography are you talking about? What's the title?  What page?--Dbratland (talk) 22:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

1972 Arrest
The main article picture is a mugshot identified as being from 1972, but the article itself doesn't seem to provide any other information on such an arrest (like why he was arrested). It does mention a previous arrest back in 1947. 68.219.238.211 (talk) 07:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Good question. The Commons description of the image does not provide any information either (except that he was apparently arrested in Anchorage, Alaska). It would be nice if someone who knows what this was about would provide the article with that information. --Saddhiyama (talk) 10:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Sheryl Crow song
This article makes no mention of the song Sheryl Crow wrote bearing his name. As a matter of fact, there should be a section on his public image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.90.68 (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Fred McQueen

 * To prevent dual comments please take all discussion of this subject to the Fred McQueen article . -- Esemono (talk) 07:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Image
A mug shot? Is that really the ONLY public domain image there is of him??? 71.164.128.174 (talk) 13:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's the only one I could find. The same mug shot, by the way, is the cover photo of a recent biography of McQueen. Monkeyzpop (talk) 16:17, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In discussions about using mug shots, most people view them as inappropriate unless the person is primarily known for criminal activity. --MarsRover (talk) 17:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * All well and good, but unless someone finds a better photo in the public domain, I think it serves better than no photo. Monkeyzpop (talk) 19:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The new drawing of McQueen (it *is* McQueen and not Peter Graves, isn't it?) is, to be kind, a less encyclopedic and considerably less accurate and representative portrait of McQueen. Is this really the best we can do for this article?  Monkeyzpop (talk) 04:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The same can be said for the mugshot. You turn to find something better. --MarsRover (talk) 05:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Neither image is ideal. The sketch is someone's interpretation what he looked like, and I don't think it's a good likeness.  At least there's no arguing with the mugshot; the camera never lies.  I don't think it's inappropriate for McQueen.  His reputation was built somewhat on him being a hell-raiser, and of all the studio portraits that may have been chosen for the biography Monkeyzpop mentions, it's interesting they opted for the mugshot.  If there was a better photograph, I'd be for it though.  Rossrs (talk) 08:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the original can be viewed here just to see how much is lost in translation. This is a derivative work of an image that appears to be copyrighted to Kobal, so it shouldn't be on Commons.  Rossrs (talk) 08:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * fyi, do a screenshot of a trailer for one of Steve McQueen's movies if you want a better image. (ex. Marilyn Monroe) --MarsRover (talk) 19:49, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * That's a good suggestion, except for the part where you instruct me to do it. If you look at my Commons contributions, I've uploaded hundreds of trailer images.  I know about trailer images.   I've never found a free trailer featuring Steve McQueen, but it would be worth looking further.  Rossrs (talk) 21:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops, I didn't notice you were the one that put the Marilyn Monroe photo in commons. Good job. --MarsRover (talk) 06:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Public domain film trailers are a good source for images, but there is a finite number of trailers we can use.   There's sure to be something, and it's only a matter of finding it.  I'll let you know if I find something.  Cheers  Rossrs (talk) 13:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll start looking for one myself. That mug shot is ridiculous. This is a famous actor, not a criminal. ScottyBerg (talk) 20:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * But as long as the mug shot is used, I think it should NOT be cropped. 71.164.128.167 (talk) 20:31, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Lightning McQueen
It could be relevant to add a back reference to Lightning McQueen who apparently not was named after him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.75.167.238 (talk) 17:26, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Seeing as how ""not" was named after him"(sic), how "could" it be relevant? 71.164.128.167 (talk) 20:32, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Picture
Any chance we can get this great actor a picture better looking than his mugshot....? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.200.198.242 (talk) 20:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, the mugshot picture doesn't seem appropriate. This is not an article about a criminal, and the use of the mugshot gives that initial impression. I have removed it, but left the mugshot in the section about his arrest. If there is no better image, it's still preferable than a mugshot to introduce the article. Athene cunicularia (talk) 01:49, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's one opinion. Another would be that a free photograph of the subject in which his face is in plain view is preferable to no photograph.  That's my particular opinion.  I won't, however, insist on it being the only opinion that matters, nor will I take unilateral action in support of it, as some have done. Monkeyzpop (talk) 16:37, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with anon and athene, the mugshot at the top of the article is inappropriate. I can see leaving mugshot in the section about his arrest. Also, having the same photo twice in the same article is redundant. --MarsRover (talk) 00:19, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * In response to Monkeyzpop: I see your point. However, as MarsRover said, the photo has not been removed from the article. It remains in the section about his arrest. Using the mugshot as the main image for an article that isn't about a criminal is akin to using weasel words, in my opinion.Athene cunicularia (talk) 05:30, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

McQueen's birth name

 * Birth Certificate – Terrence Stephen McQueen
 * Britanica – Terence Stephen McQueen
 * Official Web Site – Steven Terrence McQueen
 * Ex-wife Neile McQueen's book, My Husband, My Friend – Steven Terrence McQueen
 * IMDB – Terence Steven McQueen
 * Biography.com – Terence Steven McQueen
 * Encyclopedia.com – Terence Steven McQueen
 * All Movie Portal – Terence Steven McQueen
 * Film Bug – Terence Steven McQueen
 * Movie Film Star – Terence Steven McQueen
 * The New York Times – Terrence Steven McQueen
 * Marc Eliot Biography – Terrence Steven McQueen
 * TV.com – Terrence Steven McQueen

Bede735 (talk) 00:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

legacy
Regarding the legacy section, someone should add Sheryl Crow's song "Steve McQueen". Stopde (talk) 03:48, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a source that gives us a reason why that song is important? This isn't a list of every song that ever mentioned him. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's foolish to list the Rolling stones, AND the Kinks, if Sheryl's song is not included as well. Her song was actually titled "Steve McQueen", the other 2 bands' songs were NOT, if anything their listings are more inadmissible than hers. Stopde (talk) 08:03, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you are right in that the Kinks song is not notable in connection with this article, but the Rolling Stones is, since it has a sourced mention of McQueens own reaction to it. --Saddhiyama (talk) 10:56, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd delete the whole section and mention McQueen's reaction to the Rolling Stone song somewhere else in the article, since it refers to something that actually happened in his life. And I'd be all in favor of mentioning the Sheryl Crow song if only anybody could find one single source that thinks it is of any significance at all that she actually named the song Steve McQueen. Even the article about the song, Steve McQueen (song), doesn't say one word about Steve McQueen himself. Two reviews found Steve Miller worth noting, yet say nothing about Steve McQueen. It's just a pop culture name check and it has no meaning, and that's why it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:25, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You are incorrect again, you might want to do some research. These are the lyrics, since you will not take the time to do it yourself: http://www.bing.com/music/lyrics/detail?q=Sheryl+Crow+Steve+McQueen&songID=C5450A00-0100-11DB-89CA-0019B92A3933&lyricsID=5444511&albumID=C3450A00-0100-11DB-89CA-0019B92A3933&artistID=C9660000-0600-11DB-89CA-0019B92A3933&pc=LRFD&FORM=DTPMUM His name is mentioned 8 times. Stopde (talk) 13:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Why don't any reviewers seem to care that his name is in the lyrics. 8 times! Wow. That's what namedropping is, isn't it? The critics only care that the song sounds like a Steve Miller song. Why can't you cite even one third party expert who thinks it matters that the song is called Steve McQueen or that his name is in the song? Just one would do. Or better yet, one single independent, third party expert who thinks this song is relevant to Steve McQueen himself. There is an article about the song. This is an article about Steve McQueen. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Image
Be it resolved that:
 * 1) Everyone, or almost everyone, hates the police mug shot. It is a very prejudicial image. It's ugly and it makes Steve McQueen look like he's known for being a criminal. The difficulty of finding an image that meets the licensing that Wikipedia has chosen to use is not a reason to override WP:NPOV, etc. The need for basic accuracy and fairness is far greater than the need to show people what Steve McQueen looked like. The man was an icon. That means almost everybody already knows what he looks like.
 * 2) Many, many, many editors have tried to find free images of McQueen. They failed. They violated a lot of copyrights in the process. Perhaps more care should be taken in future attempts.
 * 3) There are many more important things to do than finagle some way of stuffing an image into this article. There is no harm in having no picture. There is lots of harm in edit warring and violating copyrights in an attempt to put a picture on the page. Find something useful to do. Forget about Steve McQueen's picture. Maybe some day in the future a freely licensed image will be found. Maybe not. Let it go. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:46, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * What an exemplary assumption of bad faith. I was not aware that there is a feud or even displeasure regarding our only PD image of the man we have, but instead went and did a search on Commons to replace the image as I usually do when I see copyright deletion notices on articles. Your reversal suggests that you should perhaps be the first to take your own advice and let it go. It is quite ridiculous not to include a PD image when we have one, especially with such a dubious reason as "Everyone, or almost everyone, hates the police mug shot". --Saddhiyama (talk) 18:13, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Read the talk page archive. Look at the article history. For some two years I've sat and watched one editor after another add the mug shot, only to be deleted, only to have a copyrighted image added, only to have the mug shot back. It needs to stop.I was not assuming bad faith on your part; quite the contrary, I was assuming clue; i.e. assuming that you had taken the time to review the article history and talk page archive. And even at that, I didn't accuse you of anything at all. I simply reverted your edit and then used the talk page to explain why. And I exhorted all editors -- not just you -- to leave it alone and don't add another questionable image. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:35, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Based on your multiple assumptions it was indeed an exemplary lack of good faith. Your comment was very clearly aimed at my insertion of that image and you did not provide any context for your objection, but instead you insinuated that my edit was in some way part of a deliberate long time strategy to insert a picture that you apparently disapprove of. "Find something useful to do. Forget about Steve McQueen's picture.", that is a very condescending comment regarding what was a completely good faith edit of providing an informative image to a high profile article. And you really have to explain how that linked essay of yours is in any way relevant in this case. No really, I am genuinely very interested in hearing your explanation. --Saddhiyama (talk) 23:09, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you feel this sort of thing is a good use of your time, go ahead and put the mug shot back in the lead. In two weeks when some other editor deletes it again, you can debate it with them. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:24, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, currently I am debating this issue with you. At least you are the only one objecting to this image. I wouldn't mind debating it with others, since I do think my arguments are sound, but that is a debate to be taken if that situation arise. --Saddhiyama (talk) 00:46, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If I'm not mistaken, I'm the one who originally added the mug shot after a strenuous search for a useful PD photo of McQueen. So naturally, I do like it.  McQueen apparently liked it, too.  He had it hanging in his home.  (OR, of course, but perhaps interesting.) In the meantime, the search goes on for a better image.  Till then, it seems insane to me to argue against a useful and accurate image of the subject, merely because of the context in which it was taken.  But maybe I'm the insane one. Monkeyzpop (talk) 23:53, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The mug shot is an excellent illustration for the part of the article that covers his arrest, or for a description of his attitudes about the picture. Bu it's important to remember that the most typical way an encyclopedia is used is as an introduction to a subject. Most people have heard of and probably seen pictures of McQueen, but they are very unlikely to be familiar with all the lore around him, such as his attitudes about his mug shot. Readers definietly aren't going to have any idea that finding free images is a problem. The average reader is used to reading blogs and commercial web sites that have no respect at all for copyright. Or have a very cavalier interpretation of fair use. Readers will assume that Wikipedia had a choice of many McQueen portraits and for some reason a police mug shot was picked out as the best way to introduce the world to who Steve McQueen is. So you're left with a very bizarre first impression: an actor is presented to you as a criminal. Sidney Bechet is the only article I could find that had a mug shot in the lead that wasn't about someone primarily known as a criminal. The rest look like Al Capone, Pedro Medina, Illegals Program, Hermann Boehm (eugenicist), etc. And obviously, the Sidney Bechet picture doesn't look like a mug shot so it isn't prejudicial. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:40, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * With the cropped version it is not exactly obvious it is a mugshot, especially with that smirk of his on that picture. And with that explanation of yours I think you are vastly underestimating the intellectual capabilities of our readers and are making assumptions based on very scant evidence. As such I do not think that having no image is a good solution, when we do in fact have a perfectly acceptable and informative picture of him available. --Saddhiyama (talk) 22:57, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, looking straight at a camera with intoxicated stare with height measurement lines behind. It is a fairly obvious mugshot even when cropped. And I think even "scant evidence" trumps opinion. --MarsRover (talk)

Transbrake hoax
Sad to note that the hoax that McQueen invented the Transbrake has been in this article since September 2009, also added to the Transbrake article by the same IP, whose third edit in the spree should have been a clue. It looks like it spread to a few web forums, where it was greeted with skepticism, but not to any books or news media. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 05:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I found a patent from 1946 with Google patents, wasn't McQueen. According to a Google patent search, only the bucket seat is listed as a patent to his name. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 16:24, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Personal life
Is there a reason there is no mention of McQueen's serial adultery, which he flaunted in front of his wives etc? Events such as his threatening his first wife with a gun (cocking it while pressed against her head) and his plan to take revenge on Maximilian Schell for an affair he once had with her, his refusal to accept paternity of their third child leading her to have an abortion to save the marriage (he kicked her out anyway), his habit of "interviewing" starlets for movies that never existed, his refusal to let Ali MacGraw work for five years (while making her sign a pre-nup) then threatening divorce when she was offered a part in Convoy all seem somewhat notable. Wayne (talk) 08:39, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Political views sourced to IMDB
I reverted the political views paragraph sourced to IMDB. It's just a copy-paste from Wikipedia's originally unsourced paragraph. See WP:CIRCULAR and WP:SPS and WP:IMDB. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 02:12, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

McQueen's birth name

 * Birth Certificate – Terrance Stephen McQueen
 * Britanica – Terence Stephen McQueen
 * Official Web Site – Steven Terrence McQueen
 * Ex-wife Neile McQueen's book, My Husband, My Friend – Steven Terrence McQueen
 * IMDB – Terence Steven McQueen
 * Biography.com – Terence Steven McQueen
 * Encyclopedia.com – Terence Steven McQueen
 * All Movie Portal – Terence Steven McQueen
 * Film Bug – Terence Steven McQueen
 * Movie Film Star – Terence Steven McQueen
 * The New York Times – Terrence Steven McQueen
 * Marc Eliot Biography – Terrence Steven McQueen
 * TV.com – Terrence Steven McQueen

Bede735 (talk) 23:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Steve McQueen edit
I wasn't sure if I should have included this edit I made on the Steve McQueen page. I guess it wasn't that constructive at all, but I didn't know how to word it better. I did the edit because I found two pictures of Steve McQueen holding his family cat. I am sorry if it wasn't constructive, but some of these artices don't mention that the person had a pet.

Here are the two links to the pictures of Steve McQueen holding his cat: [] and [] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.55.203.102 (talk) 18:16, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, those pictures certainly demonstrate that McQueen once held a cat. They don't prove it was his cat or what the cat's name was. And the fact that none of his biographers seemed to care suggests it isn't important enough to mention. Which, more generally, is why so few articles mention pets. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Peritoneal mesothelioma
Wouldn't his cause of death be Peritoneal mesothelioma? The article says he had '"huge" tumors developed in his abdomen'. --DanielCD (talk) 18:04, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

'Otherwise' true story?
'McQueen played the lead in the next big Sturges film, 1963's The Great Escape, Hollywood's depiction of the otherwise true story of an historical mass escape from a World War II POW camp, Stalag Luft III.'

Other than what? Valetude (talk) 00:47, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Wrong title?
Shouldn't this article be titled "Steve McQueen (actor)" so that searching for "Steve McQueen" leads to the disambiguation page? --TedColes (talk) 15:10, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I made this move at the Dutch Wikipedia but I guess there will be quite some discussion about it here. - FakirNL (talk) 19:38, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No, per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the dab page should only be mentioned in the hatnote, but the primary topic should remain Steve McQueen. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:18, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Steve McQueen has been viewed 69062 times in 201403. This article ranked 3163 in traffic on en.wikipedia.org. and Steve McQueen (director) has been viewed 178025 times in 201403. One could argue that after winning the Academy Award for best picture the British director is currently at least as well known as the American actor, when I hear "Steve McQueen" I think of the British director. - FakirNL (talk) 14:20, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * We don't go rearranging pages because every time someone's name is in the news the page views spike. See Recentism. The 109,000 hits at Google Books are nearly all for the actor, not the director. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:48, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Google Books has an inherent bias towards older events. And while American McQueen was only nominated for an Oscar, British McQueen did actually win his nomination (as producer for best picture). As I said, I made this move on the Dutch Wikipedia, but I'll admit it is more common there to use a regular disambiguation page when two articles are roughly in the same ballpark. - FakirNL (talk) 17:25, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Here are the instructions for requesting a move. I don't believe you've made any arguments relevant to the actual criteria WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but if you want to spend your time on this, go ahead. However... --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Not one mention of his legendary abuses of women?
I mean, that is basically the only thing we who grew up in an era after he died even learned about him posthumously, and it takes zero effort to find discussions of it on celebrity news archives, and yet it never comes up in this article ... curious. Huntleigh (talk) 07:20, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Citation please. 69.210.250.231 (talk) 23:57, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

The cincinatti kid film is not mentioned in the bio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.67.31 (talk) 06:22, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Poorly written
Even by Wikipedia standards this entry falls woefully short of being encyclopedic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.110.44 (talk) 16:55, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Urban legend
It's almost unbelievable that the writer of this article repeats the long disproved nonsense that there was "a party" that horrible night of the Tate-Sebring murders. There was no party -- and half of the major stars of the late 1960s either claimed themselves, or others claimed for them, that they were "invited to the party that night" but didn't go for one reason or another which "saved their lives." And here it is in this Steve McQueen article. It should be removed, but what do I care? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spelvin214 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source (a book, a magazine, a newspaper) that states this was disproved? Because I've never heard that and the biographies I've read about Steve McQueen correspond to the article's current content. Kindzmarauli (talk) 21:14, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

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Q. Height and Eye colour? Please
Q. Height and Eye colour? Please. I came here for info. on both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.144.100 (talk) 06:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Steve McQueen was born in "Birch Grove Grenada".
McQueen had wanted to make a work in Grenada, the island where his parents were born and from where they had migrated to England in the 1950s. Caribs' Leap was filmed around the small town of Sauteurs (the French word for jumpers or leapers).

https://www.artangel.org.uk/project/caribs-leap-western-deep/

I also have a old registered mail to the family at the Birch Grove address.

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 * That is a different Steve McQueen. You are interested Steve McQueen (director). — Cactus Writer (talk) 17:51, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

2nd Bullitt Mustang not scrapped
In recent news - March 2017 - is has been reported that the 2nd Mustang that was thought to have been scrapped was found in Mexico. It was authenticated by Ralph Garcia Jr., Kevin Marti and Hugo Sanchez according to the L.A. Times. If I get time I will update the article where it is appropriate. If someone else would like to gather the citations and do the edit feel free to do so.THX1136 (talk) 14:54, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Pallbearers
I've rolled back the edit restoring the phrase "pallbearers of his casket" as it remains, as previously explained, a redundancy equivalent to calling someone caretakers of his care or gravediggers of his grave. The editor pushing for the redundant phrase says that non-English speakers may not understand the word "pallbearer" and thus need the definition to follow the word, a situation that by extension would have every word in WP followed by a definition, none of which would do non-English speakers much good anyway, if they can't speak English. There are alternative language WP pages for non-English speakers. It seems silly to me that in this one instance, we should kowtow to those supposed people who cannot understand the word pallbearer but who would presumably have no problem with the word casket. Opinions? It's not worth a fight, but it seems quite an unnecessary redundancy. Additionally, it's not a redundancy with much currency; a Google search for the phrase "pallbearers for his casket" turns up two usages besides this one in the entire internet. Monkeyzpop (talk) 10:46, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Towel boy
I did a Google search and the only two places in the entire internet the phrase "working at a brothel as a towel boy" are in this article and in the Night Shift Wikipedia article. Only those readers who know the job titles of brothel employees with have any idea what a towel boy is; male prostitute? boy prostitute? scantily clad male dancer? porter who cleans rooms between customer visits? So I removed it, as the sentence without that is as informative as with it.Nick Beeson (talk) 12:12, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

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Steve McQueen Net Worth
May relate to why he was highly paid for movies where citation may be needed...

He became the highest-paid actor in the world in 1974 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.148.234.67 (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb/actors/steve-mcqueen-net-worth/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.148.234.67 (talk) 10:51, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Terrence Stephen McQueen
--Danielvis08 (talk) 11:52, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 8 January 2019

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The result of the move request was: No move per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 21:17, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Steve McQueen → Steve McQueen (actor) – The director Steve McQueen is also very notable, having directed successful and publicized films such as Widows or 12 Years a Slave, therefore I do not believe that the actor should have name precedence over the director. If the move is completed, I suggest turning the Steve McQueen page into a disambiguation page. MikeOwen discuss  10:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose: No real evidence provided. Basically a WP:TWODABS situation. —BarrelProof (talk) 10:52, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose - In fact there is |Steve_McQueen_(director) evidence in long-term page views that we have the proper primary topic - even the recent blip in popularity of the director doesn't top the actor's page views. -- Netoholic @ 11:08, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the above.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 12:00, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose the actor is more notable עם ישראל חי (talk) 15:29, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The page views speak for themselves. Making the base page a DAB page won’t get readers to the director’s article any quicker than the hatnote does now.  Calidum   18:54, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose and early SNOW close. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:56, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


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Changing the lede name
this is how I think it should read; in his case, it is much more than a simple stage name or nickname, being a contemporary American idol/icon. As such, use of the word famously would be appropriate. This would help to stop any changes.

Terrence Stephen McQueen (March 24, 1930 – November 7, 1980), famously known as Steve McQueen, was an American actor.

Comments from others welcome - I normally do not contribute to this article, but I recognise it is immensely important to some.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 19:25, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


 * "Famously" - no!. If someone or something is famous, then only those who live on other planets need to be told that. That's what famous means.  Those who live on Earth who are not aware enough of stuff like this sure as hell wouldn't be reading Wikipedia.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  20:25, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Make it look like any of the featured articles with the same issues: Brie Larson, Marilyn Monroe, Julianne Moore, Eric Bana. Per MOS:MULTINAMES. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:37, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Rocknrollmancer, the reason I put the cite in the middle of the first line was that it was being used to verify the legal name–not the fact that he was an actor. I agree with Dennis Bratland that there should be better ways to word the lede, without using "famously". Dekimasu よ! 22:01, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Based on the reaction of Jack of Oz above, by extension there would be no need to cite that he was an actor, so anyone should realise the citation does not relate to that; I'd not known the name Brie Larson until now (haven't read it), think I recall the name of Eric Bana, but knew there were alternative names associated with John Wayne. Thanks for your comments, I'll leave it with y'all to change to your mutual satisfaction, including breaking the sentence, as it was less-clumsy than that at the Duke's article .--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:34, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Ancestry
According to ethnicelebs McQueen was of the following descent:

Ethnicity: Scottish, English, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, German, distant Cornish, Dutch, Welsh



The article makes it seem as though his entire ancestry was Scottish and that isn't true. As most Americans McQueen had ancestry from more than one country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:4200:4310:d5ff:c03:d25d:753 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for starting a discussion.
 * That's not a reliable source. --Ronz (talk) 20:58, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation page?
Surely by now Steve McQueen the director is famous enough that we should be turning Steve McQueen into a disambig page (like Georgia) rather than just defaulting to the White Steve McQueen with a hatnote? How much more famous does he have to get? Do we have any metrics on how many people are coming here looking for the British director? (is that relevant?) Jun-Dai (talk) 02:27, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The "white steve mcqueen"? I see where this is going ... Binho24(talk) 12:07, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Where?
 * In any case, looks like this discussion already happened. I missed it in the archives: Talk:Steve McQueen/Archive_1. The question remains, though — how famous does he have to get before we decide there's not a single primary subject? The British director's |Steve_McQueen_(director) pageviews have been going up, per the same metric — at what point is it close enough? 2:1 ratio? 3:1? (especially given that some people looking for the director will likely land on the actor's page first, boosting his page view). Jun-Dai (talk) 22:43, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a late reply; but i think we generally do things off of long term importance; McQueen the actor has a decades long solidified legacy in film; while the director McQueen is a contemporary figure/current celebrity. McQueen the actor; dominates the name in books; as shown here ; it takes till page four for the director to appear and it's a short mention in a book credited to himself . I don't think a contemporary figures importance can supersede a historical figures importance on numbers alone as the historical person has held that fame for decades after their death and supersedes the current figure in literature; which is more important than views, which can fade. The Machine Gun Kelly and Machine Gun Kelly (musician) is another example, of which i would be against a primary for the current figure or disambig for the rappers namesake; i don't think there's any harm in the current set-up; but i do think book mentions (and books about the person) should hold more sway over contemporary fame and a director is generally written about more than a actor (Hitchcock vs Cary Grant for instance); so in a couple of decades it should happen; but we're in no rush and as a encyclopedia we should give more credit to their standing in literature and overall history than outright fame in such a case as this. GuzzyG (talk) 13:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, GuzzyG, I think that makes a lot of sense. If the director does reach the level of influence and legacy where his "importance" to an encyclopaedia exceeds that of the actor, there's going to be some sort of threshold where it warrants a primary disambig page (like, say, Georgia) and some sort of threshold where he would make sense as the primary page. I'm mostly curious what those thresholds would look like, and what the process/conversation would look like. But to your point about contemporary figures and temporary fame, I can see how you would want to use more enduring stats than page-views. I just picked that one since it was the one used in the explanation for _not_ making such a change. And given Wikipedia's influence on defining a sense of cultural importance (versus just reflecting it), it felt like a question that needed asking. I'm guessing over the coming decade, it will come up again and again — probably every time McQueen directs something that generates a lot of buzz (12 Years getting an Oscar, Small Axe, etc.) and seems likely to carve some sort of place for itself in film history. To your point, 12 Years a Slave still treats the memoir as primary, despite the fact that the majority of readers are likely looking for the article on the film (although, unlike people, there is the additional factor that one work is the basis for the other). Interesting that Small Axe goes to a disambig page, then, instead of to the Bob Marley song. 🤷 Jun-Dai (talk) 13:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)