Talk:Steve Peregrin Took

Email from Fee Warner
I just got this email, clears up possible copyvio issues:

Steve Took's Domain  to me, davidmantell2, Fee, fee More options	 4:59am (19 minutes ago) Hi, (copy to David) This is not in copyright violation on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Peregrin_Took as my friend David and I hold the copyright. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Steve_peregrin_took If you need confirmation go to the page which you've listed as the 'source' (http://www.stevetook.mercurymoon.co.uk/biography-1.html) and knock off the 'biography-1.html' to get back to the front of the web site. Use the email links to mail myself and David directly from the web site so we can confirm we do the site! (You'll see the two emails generated contain the same two email addresses we I've used and I've even CC'ed a copy of it to myself using my main www.MercuryMoon.co.uk domain address as Steve Took's domain is actually a subdomain of my own server space. Also this applies to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Took%27s_Shagrat which I wrote before I realised I needed to register so it only appears with my IP address of 80.3.64.7 I got a message saying it was copied from www.stevetook.mercurymoon.co.uk/biography-3.html. Please see the talk page on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Steve_Took%27s_Shagrat Love, Light & Peace Fee

Things look fine to me. Andre 09:20, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Many thanks Andre


 * Ditto. Sorry 'bout the mix-up.  It's just that real copyright violations present very real problems.  Welcome to the club. - Lucky 6.9 19:22, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Lazza
Is Lazza the same as Larry Wallis? I guessed at this because I've read a lot of British books, but I think that for most Americans the connection would be incomprehensible.

Also, somebody needs to make this article NPOV. I could do it by taking out a lot of modifiers (like "frankly gullible", "gloriously", and "brilliant"), but maybe it should be someone who knows something about the material. &mdash;JerryFriedman 18:36, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Okay, I made sure that Lazza=Larry and did it myself. Maybe someone can smooth it over a bit.  &mdash;JerryFriedman 21:40, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

TOTAL NPOV PROBLEM
"The duo finagled their way into the very heart of the underground, manipulating and seducing the stoned (and frankly gullible) audiences with a synthesised veneer of mysticism and elfin sagacity, which pushed all the right buttons."

The paragraph quoted above has been removed. It's totally POV.

Barret/Took connection
I think it would be wise to tone down the Barrett/Took connection a little bit mainly because "possibly" has turned to "propably" in (for example) the case of Took's participation in Barrett's infamous "Rhamadan" track. And information about Barrett's supposed appearance on Steve's 70s demos did not emanate from any Barrett biographer, producer or musician, but from US label Cleopatra records who used the information to sell a compilation of Steve's demos in the early 90s. Therefore I (for one) remain sceptical. And as far as I can remember the "fact" that Took recorded with Barrett was established roughly around the same time as the (admittedly excelent) domain stevetook.co.uk. After all, there has been a book written that examins the paperwork relating to all Barrett's session in great detail, and we still don't have a clue who plays on Rhamadan do we? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Larstangmark (talk • contribs) 15:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Larstangmark (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Took's connections to Barrett are cross-referred in Barrett fanclub zine Terrapin from the early 70s 86.146.247.163 (talk) 02:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

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Sorry, but the language and stuff is obviously that of a fan - which is fine enough but this is an encyclopedia. Hopefully someone who know their Took and an appropriate writing style will be able to make this page a better tribute to "that hippy bongo player". LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * "Hippy Bongo Player" ? Listen, Steve Took was a screaming rock n roll wildman singer-songwriter.  Steve's work as bongo player for Bolan was just his juvenilia (and Marc's).  Took's work 1969-1980 as a soloist and frontman of Shagrat/The Horns/etc was the serious mature work of his career.  And he wasn't a mild humble hippy from Narnia either, he was a wild chrome-plated Hard Rocking KER FLICKER KER FLASH! 2.24.70.231 (talk) 13:07, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Have tidied it up to meet standards, while maintaining spirit of original. 86.146.247.163 (talk) 02:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Death address
Took was living and died at 100 Cambridge Gardens W10. I live at 98 Cambridge Gardens, it is the corner of Cambridge Gardens and St Marks Road W10. It is certainly not 'Notting Hill Gate', neither is it just off Portobello Road (Cambridge Gardens is rather a long road bisected by Ladbroke Grove) - it is 'North Kensington'; there is a world of diference between W11 and W10 - I have edited the entry accordingly. Incidentally the current occupants of no 100 were completely unaware of the connection with Took.

89.168.90.170 (talk) 22:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I well remember the apartment at 100 Cambridge Gardens, on the ground floor left. It was originally rented by Sandy and Rose, two girls from Swindon, late 1970 or early 71. Rose was John Manly's gf. Manly was already sharing with Paul Rudolph round at 164 Lancaster. Rapidly all kind of nefarious Fairies and associates moved in at 100 CG. I recall a little later when a used ambulance had been acquired and this was often used to liberate canisters of nitrous from the local hospital. Games of chance were a constant occupation including big money chess with the added frisson of lengthy intakes of nitrous inbetween each round. But I digress, for some reason, not based on any reliable source but my vague recollection, I thought Took was living in St Luke's Mews when he kicked it. Wwwhatsup (talk) 03:28, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, well. I was only using other web biographies as the source of my information on 100 Cambridge Gardens. If it was St Luke's Mews then that is an entirely different matter - this needs clarifying, either from the death certificate or someone who personally knows.109.144.254.52 (talk) 11:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * He was living at Sam's place in Clydesdale House when he died. 100A Cambridge Gardens was the squat he shared with Russell Hunter and an American called KGR in 1971-1972. 86.131.176.245 (talk) 15:02, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Stevetook.mercurymoon.co.uk & Syd Barrett
isn't Stevetook.mercurymoon.co.uk basically a fan site? I used to 'know' Fee (the "web mistress") via a Syd yahoo group & she was pretty much an obsessed fan of Steve Took - got forced out of the T-rex fan club & co set up a splinter group, either forced out her then fan partner for getting in the way of researching him the way she wanted or was the one dropped - forget which.

& a site introing itsubject as "DEFINITELY THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD & UNDER-VALUED SINGER, SONG WRITER, MUSICIAN, SATIRIST OF THE 20th CENTURY" doesn't exactly sound like an non-biased/ reliable enclyopedia worthy source.

No sources but old discussions on Barrett fan yahoo groups (either Laughing Madcaps or might've been Vegetable Friends) decided Syd *might've* been there when that cd was recorded but more likely invented by Cleopatra & that Barrett def wasn't known as Crazy Diamond at the time.109.224.137.121 (talk) 04:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


 * CDs didn't exist in the early 1970s either. I expect it was a tape recording.  The "Crazy Diamond" credit is from the release on CD in 1991, when it definitely existed as a term for Syd Barrett and was probably given with hindsight by the CD sleeve compiler. 2.31.162.43 (talk) 16:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The people behind the Steve Took's Domain (Fee and David) were behind the CD release of the Steve Took's Horns sessions on Cherry Red Records so clearly it is not just a fan site. And no-one's "dropped" anyone, so let's not go spreading idle gossip like that ... 81.151.227.206 (talk) 23:36, 26 December 2013 (UTC)


 * A Wikipedia article's sources do not have to comply with Wikipedia policies on NPOV etc. Only the Wikipedia article itself has to comply. 62.190.148.115 (talk) 10:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Pocketful O'Nowt
Anon editors have posted and reverted on multiple occasions a "Legacy" section to promote a song about Took by a non-notable band Pocketful O'Nowt. They have in turn been reverted by Rothorpe, Robsinden, and me. I will revert once more, and suggest, if it happens again, we go for semi-protection. Wwwhatsup (talk) 13:19, 10 February 2014 (UTC)