Talk:Steve Scully

From draft talk page
The following conversation occurred on User Talk:WWB Too/Steve Scully. It documents conversation that WWB Too, who has a COI with reference to this article (I'll let xyr explain more clearly) had with myself and Silver Seren. After reviewing the draft that WWB Too wrote, I believe that the new version is far better than the prior version. The new version is much better sourced, it contains less irrelevant information (for example, the prior version had a whole paragraph explaining the WHCA, which belongs in the WHCA article, not here), and, oddly enough, is much more neutral than the prior version. As such, I believe that WWB Too has met all of the requirements for a COI editor. Other editors, of course, are welcome to suggest more changes. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:55, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Initial comments

 * Two sources are unfamiliar to me, and I'm wondering if they meet WP:RS--specifically, #1, FishbowlDC, and #10, CableFax. Can you tell me a little more about these.  I know this isn't exactly fair, but the formatting on FishbowlDC looks a lot more like a blog than like a reliable media outlet with a trustworthy editorial board.  However, I could very much be wrong. Do you have any info about those sources?  The first Fishbowl DC only covers his date of birth, losing it would not be too tragic (that's not critical info). And on CabelFax, in my opinion the statement it's linked to could remain even without a cite--it's not a very controversial statement to explain how the class was aired, and even local television listings must exist that could in principle verify it (even if they're not actually available).
 * Personally, I don't like giving the names of children except when those children have themselves been discussed in reliable sources; for me, it crosses WP:BLPPRIVACY. Others disagree though, so I won't push the issue, but personally I'd rather see that sentence state "They have four children, one of whom was adopted".
 * In the Background, I would remove the phrase, "briefly debated becoming a lawyer"--that feels trivial and gossipy to me.
 * In the WHCA section, do we need the sentence, "Until her death, Scully's mother accompanied him to most WHCA dinners throughout the administrations of Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack H. Obama.[4]"? This feels very "human interest" to me, and not very encyclopedic. There's no policy-based reason to remove it--it is covered in a reliable source, but to me it feels out of place, almost WP:UNDUE, because it's info about his mother, not him.  But I could be persuaded otherwise.

Let me know your thoughts on these; as I said on the WIkiproject: Cooperation page, the rest looks like a substantial improvement over the current article. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:35, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you don't mind me commenting just on point number one, and i'll leave the article formatting and content issues to WWB. CableFAX is a cable television trade industry magazine that has a fair number of readers (considering it is a trade magazine) and has an editorial board. See the About page.


 * As for Fish Bowl DC. Yes, it is a blog, one of the blogs under Mediabistro.com, written by media professionals. The writer in this case, Betsy Rothstein, is an accomplished journalist (mainly gossip journalism, but hey) who was an editor for The Hill for a significant number of years. So, she would essentially count as an "expert" in the sense that she is an accomplished journalist, so you can trust her for basic information like this. Silver  seren C 06:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a good enough answer for me! Seems like the sourcing is all good, then. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:36, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Silver is exactly right on Fishbowl and CableFAX; the funny thing about Fishbowl is that it fairly well establishes his birthday, but not necessarily his birth date. Although it strongly implies 2010 was his fiftieth, and this matches up with the year already in the article, I placed the citation next to the "September 17" rather than the "1960". A reliable third-party source may well exist somewhere (though I couldn't find it) but it doesn't seem to be a disputed point.
 * I took out the sentence about Mr. Scully considering a legal career; on reflection, I agree that it isn't necessary.
 * It so happens Mr. Scully's children are discussed by name in the newspaper article provided for the section. This includes his deceased children, which are important as the basis for his public involvement in organizations fighting SIDS.
 * I'd like to make the case for retaining the bit about taking his mother to WHCA dinners. I think it speaks to how he conducts himself in his professional career—he was the one who brought her, after all—and of all the "color" I removed from the current article, this one seemed to me the least out-of-place. But I'm open to other opinions. WWB Too (talk) 16:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I know my position on children's names is a bit off of consensus, so it can stay. And on his mother...well...after I make the move, I'll start a section on the article's talk page--it's a borderline issue, and since it's in the current version of the article, that implies at least one other editor agrees.  I'm going to perform the move now. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:44, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment from connected contributor
As explained immediately above, a major overhaul of this article has been implemented following a discussion at WikiProject Cooperation (WP:CO-OP). Being the connected contributor in question, I should state that I am currently an outside consultant to C-SPAN, and have been engaged primarily to work with the Wikipedia community to improve existing articles (and create new ones, where appropriate) related to the network. As noted by Qwyrxian, future editors are more than welcome to continue to improve this article, with our participation or without. I'll be available for questions or comments as I am able; my engagement with C-SPAN is ongoing but not indefinite, though I do care about Wikipedia and the quality of articles I'm involved with. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 03:57, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

08:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

2020 debates
Can somebody add something about the presidential debates? Source:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54003441 BSMIsEditing (talk) 10:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Cullen328  Let's discuss it  18:46, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Internship
https://www.cablecenter.org/media-room/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=418 is another interview by Scully in which he states he worked for Biden as an intern. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:24, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Dab page in lead section
hello the lead section links to a disambiguation page. i propose replacing the link to the dab page with hacked. also, the opening sentence makes him sound dead. plz replace: "Steven L. Scully (born September 17, 1960)[1] was a senior executive producer and political editor for the C-SPAN television network." with "Steven L. Scully (born September 17, 1960)[1] is a broadcast journalist and a former senior executive producer and political editor for the C-SPAN television network." 173.85.192.32 (talk) 20:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * in the short time since i added the above, another link to hacked has been added to the body. plz bypass the DAB page similar to above request. :) 173.85.192.32 (talk) 20:03, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 23:05, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Recent changes
In this edit I undid some light whitewashing by an SPA. The original content read:

... C-SPAN suspended Scully indefinitely after he admitted to lying about his Twitter feed being ...

AgentSullivan17 changed this to

... C-SPAN placed Scully on temporary administrative leave after he admitted to misleading about his Twitter feed being ...

In other words, "suspended Scully indefinitely" was changed to "temporary administrative leave" and "lying" was changed to "misleading." The source for both citations did not change and is this MarketWatch article which says he was suspended indefinitely and characterizes the issue as "lying," not misleading. I've done a quick search to see if there is more current information in WP:RS that would require us to update this to the version advanced by AgenaSullivan17 and have found none. If there is, however, and I've missed it I'm hoping someone can either comment here or update the article accordingly with appropriate sources. Thanks! Chetsford (talk) 06:07, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Leaving CSPAN
Could someone update the article after July 6th that Steve Scully will be leaving his job on CSPAN for a new job at the Bipartisan Policy Center? Deadline Hollywood source Jackilometresan (talk) 00:15, 29 June 2021 (UTC)