Talk:Steve Wiebe/Archive 1

Four Christmases
I think there should be a mention in the article that Steve had a small role in the 2008 motion picture Four Christmases. I'm not exactly sure how it should be done.(203.12.22.55 (talk) 02:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC))

First player to get above 1 000 000 points?
Based on the documentary King of Kong he was the second player to reach this score. He then beat Billy Mitchell, which defeated Wiebe again with 1,100 points. Am I way off track here or...?--Eikern (talk) 19:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

You are correct. Steve was the second person to break 1,000,000 points on video tape. I just watched King of Kong and wanted to make sure he still holds the record. I am a little confused as to why it says he will attempt to reclaim his record of Donkey Kong in the summer of 2008/9 as he holds the record.--Tob3z (talk) 22:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Eikern, if I remember correctly (no guarantee), even though Steve's initial +1000000 videotaped score wasn't accepted by Twin Galaxies, I think it still occurred before Mitchell sent his tape for that public viewing. I may be confused, though. Tob3z, according to TwinGalaxies, Billy L Mitchell scored 1,050,200 points on 6/26/2007 (3 months & 3 days after Steve's registered score that we saw at the very end of the movie) It says this score was verified via referee, Walter Day --DeusExMathias (talk) 23:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It all depends on what you consider "first". Wiebe was the first to submit a 1 million+ score to Twin Galaxies on July 4, 2004. This was later rejected as the board was bought by Roy Shildt (and of course there's the debate on whether it should have been accepted or not). Four days later, Mitchell hands in his tape with a higher 1 million+ score, however, this tape was recorded in 2003. Mitchell held onto it because he wanted to perform 1 million+ in public first (which nobody has yet to do). Twin Galaxies official response is that they both reached 1 million+ at the same time. More info on the timeline here. Vitaflo (talk) 19:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Then why don't we specify that? Maybe this should be an article of it's own: "Donkey Kong record controversy", he-he.--Eikern (talk) 17:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

The Twin Galaxies rejection of Steve's first tape was biased (Steve's competitor Billy was one of the people that broke into Steve's home to work at disqualifying the score). I don't think Billy deserves the honor of being called "the first". To me, the first was definitely Steve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.59.249 (talk) 15:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Billy performed the current record live (see Twin Galaxies website). Also, Twin Galaxies now demands that all Donkey Kong records be made live, in front of them. This is obviously a gimmick by Twin Galaxy board member Billy Mitchell to vastly restrict his competition. Throughout the documentary, Mitchell and his entourage keep saying that "Billy Mitchell always has a plan." How about hard work as a plan? Instead, as good a player as he is, he relies on trickery. Johnjohnson68510 March 26, 2008

It's troubling when people take a movie as straight fact. Does anyone take reality shows as unscripted events? Honestly, I suggest people look into the a matter before commenting on what is not fully understood.

It should be noted that Steve Weibe knew about the "break-in" where 2 gamers (Billy Mitchell was not among them) examined the board used to meet his 1,000,000+ record because he agreed to it as noted in the 2008 interview in Retro Gamer (52nd issue). I believe one can still buy this back-issue. Also, within that interview/article, many falsities within the movie were rectified by Weibe, Mitchell, and Walter Day.

While Mitchell was on the board of Twin Galaxy, it should also be noted that he lost other scores to other players and did not dispute it (including Donkey Kong Jr. score which Weibe beat and the famous scandalized score in King of Kong). Weibe also held the Donkey Kong Score for three years before Mitchell beat his 1,000,000 score in a live venue. Weibe has since tried to beat the score but has made several unsuccessful live attempts at various locations. They have no ill feeling towards one another.

It must also be stated that Weibe and Mitchell were friendly rivals before the fabricated movie was released. They would both jointly appear at Retro gaming conventions and spoke side by side to audiences (you can find these images on-line). They were well acquainted. They even appeared together in a double radio interview for Retro Gamer, in which the transcripts can be fond on-line or by contacting Retro Gamer.

As far as "trickery" and "planning" goes, Director Seth Gorden admits to cutting statement out of contexts as well as fiddling with the fact and time-lines in King of Kong in various interviews. He's not ashamed of it, rather, he felt it made the movie better. He was more interested in a plot than in profiling gamers. It should also be noted that Gorden and Weibe were friend; which lends reason as to the unfair skew to the film.

People within the Retro gaming community enjoy King of Kong as an entertaining fictitious film, but take it no more serious than reality TV. Just keep in mind: Just because it's on a screen doesn't make it true. If anything else, it begs to be scrutinized.

Heterotopia, May 14th 2009

The official scorebook (http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=2&gi=3852&vi=22) shows Wiebe's score of 1,049,100 taking place on 3/23/2007. A recent version of the article had his Donkey Kong Jr. score listed as his Donkey Kong score. This has been corrected. Wiebe's score of over 1 million does predate Mitchell's via the Twin Galaxies scorebook, making this the first offical score of over a million. Mitcherll is the official current world record holder. This is using the cited reference as per wikipedia guidelines. Correct me if I am mistaken, but the documentary and opinions of those who have seen it can not be a source for citation. -B.Wynn, 7-31-2009

The current status of champion portion should be marked for deletion as it does specifiacally state what achievements Steve should be credited with. All you have to do is goto twin galaxies and see that he is the points leader in DK and 2nd to Billy in [hammer allowed]. Not only that, but a bunch of billy fanbois have re-written history. Steve plays only classics games, I KNOW ALL YOU WILL BE SURPIsed, which do not include DK. Maybe L2read before you try and type????????.

Mark the Status of champion for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.12.72.55 (talk) 04:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Donkey Kong Jr. Record
Today (I think) Steve Wiebe officially took back the DKJ record with 1,190,400 points. Here's my source: (rct2guy (talk) 01:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC))

'Evil' Billy Mitchell
why is Bill Mitchell constantly referred to as 'the evil' Billy Mitchell? The Page written up for Billy Mitchell makes no reference to that what so ever and I didn't find anything online that referes to him as 'evil' nor does the actual article linked at the bottom within the reference section which also references Billy Mitchell as being evil in the link text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.219.163.197 (talk) 23:59, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * While I might tend to agree with that characterization, it does seem a bit at odds with WP:NPOV doesn't it? ;-) Reverted. Eye of slink (talk) 02:35, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * In a recent interview with Prime Time Sam Roberts and East Side Dave on the Sirius XM radio show "Special Delivery" on XM 202 the virus (Sirius 197), Billy Mitchell admitted to both of them that he is indeed evil.68.196.93.32 (talk) 04:35, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Not currently the world record holder
Hank Chien is the current world record holder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.39.83.70 (talk) 21:37, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Not important enough for Wikipedia
Perhaps the old record holder on Donkey Kong doesn't need his own Wikipedia page. This and any other pages like it could be part of the main Donkey Kong article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.111.3.81 (talk) 23:46, 25 April 2015 (UTC)