Talk:Steve Zakuani

Good Article
Given the events of this weekend, I naturally pulled up this article to read about the player and was pleasantly surprised to find a decent article with good coverage references. I'm going to put some effort into improving the article (cleaning up refs, expanding the lead, and adding any other points that may be missing) and get it to GA status. I'm doing this for two reasons: (1) to get to know more about this great player and human being, and (2) to pay a small tribute to him on Wikipedia. Get well Steve. #forSteve --SkotyWATC 16:04, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * TODOs:
 * Add back referenced prose about first season accomplishments (had to remove them because refs were bad and couldn't find alternates)
 * Clean up refs for stats table
 * Expand lead
 * Current references in personal section are poor. Can they be replaced with better ones (possible rewrite of section needed)
 * Add Charity sub-section under Personal detailing the charity Steve created after going pro (kingdom-hope.org)
 * --SkotyWATC 17:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been poking around with the page for sometime now. I was reluctant to bring it to a review since the interviews are perfectly fine sources, IMO, but expect them to be a roadblock. Cptnono (talk) 18:40, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The date formatting went from British(in the prose)/ISO(refs) to American in some parts. Is that to standardize it with other Sounders player articles? A quick check on if we are going with British or American spelling is also needed.Cptnono (talk) 19:34, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think's it's "editor's choice" in this instance. Either would be acceptable for a Brit doing all his notable activity in the USA. JonBroxton (talk) 19:38, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * So which one are we doing? I don't have a preference but we need to get it uniform within the article.Cptnono (talk) 19:39, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Go with US date formatting then. Looking at the article, that would probably mean less work in terms of how many dates to convert. JonBroxton (talk) 20:59, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry. I was going with American date formatting with my changes yesterday.  Thank you so much for helping with this.  It looks like info has been added back (by Cptnono) for his first season accomplishments.  I've already nominated it for GA review, but my expectation is that we have at least a week before a reviewer picks it up.  My goal is to work on it this week to get it complete. --SkotyWATC 15:10, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Only some of the info. Is it cool?Cptnono (talk) 22:29, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, the stuff you added back for 2009 looks great. If we can find more to talk about him in 2009, that would be great, but we've at least got something now.  For example, the article used to mention his first appearance being during the club's inaugural match (against RBNY), but I couldn't find a ref that mentioned it.  I'd love to add that back if we could find a ref.
 * I just expanded the lead to generally cover most of the content in the article. Please proofread it and add anything you think I've missed.
 * I also see someone's added information about the charity he created, so I've marked that off the TODO list. Eventually, I think this could grow into it's own section, but for now this is sufficient. Thanks for the help everyone!  Almost there (to GA status). --SkotyWATC 18:49, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The charity thing was just from a quick search. I assume there is more out there somewhere.
 * Regarding the lead, I think we hit childhood and playing career. We might want to add a line in about his personal life just to make sure it is a proper summary but the childhood stuff might be sufficient. The length is also good. Might want to clarify that the first intl match was a friendly. Cptnono (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Striking the stats references issue since I see Cptnono followed up on it. Great work! --SkotyWATC 05:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Stats
I am against these sections being updated on a weekly basis since editors tend to not add sources. I appreciate the effort and it is close to correct but since it is not correct (just the other day I found a major inconsistency) we need to stop it from happening unless editors actually provide a verifying link. So here are the links needed to make the table. Yes, we will need to remove parameters since they are not verifiable but I am sick of seeing it not kept up properly: Cptnono (talk) 03:51, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * 2011 (this is ongoing and will need to continue to be clarified. No updates should be allowed without checking the link and modifying the date)
 * 2010
 * 2009
 * no year provided but should be sufficient for USL days
 * I totally agree with what you're saying here. Please go ahead and update the stats and reference links. Maybe we should add a comment at the beginning and the end of the section telling editors some guidelines for updating the stats. --SkotyWATC 05:56, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I reverted this since it does not cover all competitions. I actually do like that source and table so we might be able to do only MLS and leave out Open Cup and other competitions. We would simply have to use a note. I don;t care either way but the adjustment by the other editor meant that the numbers did not match up.Cptnono (talk) 18:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

ENVAR
Consensus up above was to go with American English (although it may need a quick double check). I reverted this. I don;t really mind switching it to British English if someone want to do the whole article. This would go against consensus formed above so if someone does decide to do it I hope that they consider if it is really worth the effort.Cptnono (talk) 17:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If it goes to consensus again (though I agree that has already been achieved and the result was American English), then my personal choice would be for American English given the player is almost solely notable in America. He hasn't done anything in Britain notable enough to supercede his MLS career. His brother, who currently plays for Peterborough if I recall correctly, should be British English by the same logic, for example. It's where they're most notable. GW  (talk)  19:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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