Talk:Steven Gerrard/Archive 4

Grammar
"Regarded as" or "Considered to be" but not "Regarded to be" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antandcharmi (talk • contribs) 19:47, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

The Main Image Is Awful
surely someone can find a better picture for the page for steven gerrard? the current one looks really bad, the old one was a lot better, why did it get changed? Voucherman (talk) 20:10, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah i agree, it's the same image but closer up and more pixelated. Can we find a better one and maybe one more up to date?115.64.103.95 (talk) 00:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Why does it say the Guardian put him into the World XI (without citation needed) when it wasn't the Guardian but a fan poll on the Guardian's wesbite?

Hardly factual and not really worth publishing on here http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/series/the-greatest-xi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.62.128 (talk) 10:42, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Youth Career
Someone please change the year from 1989-1997. He joined Liverpool when he was 9, not 7.

Personal life
Why is this totally non-npov page locked? This loses all kind of credibility for your ;project;. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.32.195 (talk) 02:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

This is big news and is in the media all over the world.... So can some one add about his bar brawl on Merseyside on 29 Dec 2008 and that he atteneded the North Sefton Magistrates' Court on 23 Jan 2009. With ref to:- "GERRARD 'BRAWL'" Daily Star - 'England star Gerrard pleads not guilty on assault charge' Monsters and Critics.com - "Gerrard denies nightclub assault" Southport Reporter ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.151.234 (talk) 18:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Have you even read the article? It's in there. --Ged UK (talk) 19:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

The information him being a father-of-two can be found on the BBC website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7981008.stm Read section "Asked how he pleaded, the father-of-two, said: "Not guilty." All six other men entered the same plea." Also see http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/03/steven-gerrard-court-appearanc and http://www.southportreporter.com/388/   I would add, but the page is locked. Anappleadaykeepsthedocaway (talk) 19:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Its semi-protected, you can edit it. -- Ged UK  20:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Goal count
Games: 465 Goals: 189 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lloydfudlegh (talk • contribs) 20:47, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * And your point is? --Ged UK (talk) 20:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I think his point is that in "Senior Career' on the right hand column, it only counts about 70 goals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.98.61 (talk) 19:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, and as the infobox says at the bottom, it's for league goals and appearances only. -- Ged UK  20:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, he has played 530 games and has scored 132 goals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.30.202 (talk) 09:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Look at the website, official one for Liverpool FC, 596 games, 152 goals. http://www.liverpoolfc.com/team/first-team/player/steven-gerrard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.238.105 (talk) 11:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe that counts more than just League goals. Also, this conversation is over two years old. Achowat (talk) 13:00, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Gerrard has not scored 172 goals, but only 171.Fightdane (talk) 10:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What's your source? Ged  UK  11:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia :-D Add the numbers in the column. It only adds up to 171 ;-)Fightdane (talk) 13:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC) I'll change it, if nobody has a source for it. 109 + 13 + 9 + 39 + 1 = 171, not 172. Fightdane (talk) 19:49, 31 March 2014 (UTC) It is protected. Will someone change it to 171? Besides there will be a lot of newspaper articles, when he scores his next goal for Liverpool. It will be a bit embaarasing, if it hasn't been changed before. And here is a source for you: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/team/first-team/player/steven-gerrard Fightdane (talk) 12:55, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Final Goals
It mentions him securing the treble with Liverpool in 2001, but it doesn't mention he scored one of their goals in the UEFA Cup Final that season, something I feel definitely warrants a mention in someone's wiki page, whoever they are. This could also have some significance because I remember hearing something along the lines of him becoming the first Englishman to score in both the UEFA Cup and Champions League finals (obviously achieving the latter four years later) but I'm not 100% sure with that fact. Either way I reckon the UEFA Cup final goal needs a mention

Also, it doesn't mention him winning the 2003 League Cup Final with Liverpool in the main body of text, made all the more important because he scored in that final aswell against Manchester United. He has to be one of the few players to have scored in the UEFA Cup, Champions League, FA Cup (twice) and League Cup finals —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveww (talk • contribs) 13:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

true that :) luv gerrard :P x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.202.61 (talk) 21:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Playing Position
"He is usually selected in central midfield" should be changed as it is clearly false. For the majority of Liverpool's games in over the past two seasons he has been utilised as a forward, with Mascherano and Alonso the first choice midfield partnership. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.179.33 (talk) 15:37, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would hesitiate to say he was a forward most of the time, I would still consider him generally to be a midfielder, albeit with Alonso and Mascherano as a pair behind him. He is often referred to on places like Sky Sports as a box-to-box midfielder, and I think this is probably the best description for him. I'd be interested to see how this discussion develops, however, because these things are usually a matter of opinion, and i don't doubt that there are a range of sources that back up either point of view. -- Ged UK  15:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say he's a midfielder, the Liverpool tactic used is a 4-2-3-1 with (first choices) Alonso and Mascherano as holding midfielders and Riera, Gerrard and Kuyt as left, centre and right midfielders... Sure, you could somewhat argue that he's a second striker, but if you really go through his whole career, most England matches etc I think it shows he's a central midfielder that's right now just has more freedom in the Liverpool tactic. chandler · 16:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd say that box-to-box midfielder sums it up well. Gerrard is often given free reign across the pitch so he gets involved with attack, midfield and defence. I'd say that "forward" would be an injustice to what he does as much as "defensive midfielder" would be, but he often performs task which could be defined as both these roles. I think his role is quite comparable to that of Frank Lampard. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 22:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Right, we need to come to a consensus on this, as the additions of second striker are becoming more frequent. What I think we may be in danger of doing is ORing our own preferred solution, whereas what we would be better doing is trying to do some sort of review of the more recent match reports and see how often he's referred to as a striker or midfielder etc. How does that sound? -- Ged UK  22:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's add second striker in the box (alongside box-to-box mf) per these sources discussing both England and Liverpool playing positions. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 15:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine with me. Let's let it run a few days longer and see if anyone objects/offers something different. -- Ged UK  16:03, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we can change a player position based on a few months of different tactics. I'll use two Liverpool examples; during the 2005–06 season, Djrbril Cissé was played primarily at right wing, however this was not his position as such(could argue this was as he wasn't particularly good there I suppose). But also Dirk Kuyt had the same thing happen to him and we can safely say this is now his position. My point really is how long must a player play in a position for it to be considered is main position? Should it be a full season? Must he have started the season as first choice in that position? Has Gerrard merely been shifted into a position it was hoped Keane would play in? Personally, however, I'd consider Gerrard to be an Attacking Midfielder, for now at least. Tommyart 23:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, as I pointed out, if sources are saying he is a second striker (rather than playing as a second striker) then is that enough? -- Ged UK  07:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

"It's strange to be talking about Stevie as a striker, but that's what he has become and, for me, in that position behind the main forward there is no one better." Lando09 (talk) 09:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

It has become December and we still see Gerrard playing as a second striker. He has been doing so for over two seasons nad manager Rafaen Benitez' talk about him as a striker. I wouldn't change it to "striker", but "midfielder/second striker" is the correct definition now, alongside being a compromize that can not be critisized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Larsle (talk • contribs) 17:27, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, what can I say about Steven Gerrard he is magnificent. You can put this player in any position and he will perform. [shakz91-Sultan]

Steven Gerrard has played most of his career as a central midfield. It is inaccurate to say that. He's been mainly an attacking midfielder, or right winger. Those are the positions he has mostly player. From the season when Liverpool won the cup treble until the second season of Rafa's reign, he played predominantly on the right side of midfield barring the final season of Houllier's failed reign. After that he played between the midfield and lone striker. He's never been a regular for England in central midfield either. You could say "He has played most of his career as an attacking or right sided midfielder, and he has also played central midfield at time". That would be the most accurate description as he has 3 years as an attacking midfielder, 4 years as a right winger, and only 2 years as CM. One other thing, Gerard Houllier did not quit as manager of Liverpool. He was sacked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.47.24.225 (talk) 00:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Zidane praise
I think Zidane's comment regarding Gerrard should be included but I'm not sure where this should be done. "Is he the best in the world? He might not get the attention of Messi and [Cristiano] Ronaldo but yes, I think he might be." Sillyfolkboy (talk) 23:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It did turn up yesterday at some point near the Man U result. I haven't been online today, so don't know if it's gone again. Perhaps, in the interests of improving the article we could have a criticism and praise section, though preferably with a better name than that! -- Ged UK  17:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * These types of things are generally discouraged nowadays. Personally, I think they tend to attract random editing and fail to clearly represent opinion on the subject. I'd be much in favour of working things into the article rather than splitting them out and I think this style would better suit the Gerrard article. I think the Zidane quote is good because it puts things in a real-world perspective and isn't hyperbolic. It wouldn't be half as useful if Zidane had said "Yes, Gerrard is amazing and the best in the world." I'll put it next to the Man United result as the quote and result fit together quite well. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 20:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. -- Ged UK  20:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Religion?
It says in the article that Gerrard is a practising Catholic, even though in his autobiography, he himself states he is not a catholic, but attended a catholic school because they were better known for their football. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.172.193 (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Gerrard extends contract
Shouldn't it be mentioned that Steven Gerrard recently extended his contract with Liverpool till 2012/13 season? The source may be found here. I came across other links on reputed newspapers such as The Times and The Guardin but have been unabel to retrieve the BBC or the liverpoolfctv link that I saw sometime back

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1045100.html --Mayfair void (talk) 01:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.83.165.48 (talk) 12:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Name
Isn't his middle name, Bartholemu--92.6.222.47 (talk) 12:45, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Im pretty sure it is George, I have searched around the web and just came up with George. Tsange ► talk 14:28, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

NO, His middle name is defintely George —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdowen4848 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

This season goals
Goals opponents scored by his backpasses deserves a mention. He has skillfully mastered not less than 3 goals in such fashion.

Can you please update as he has 10 goals this season

7 in the league

u lot suck for research, he scored 12 goals this season, cos he started of the season with 120 goals, and now he has 132. Can u lot do maths 4 godssake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.30.202 (talk) 09:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Age at Hillsborough Disaster. This states SG was 9 years old. As he was born in May 1980, he would have been 8 in April 1989. Please correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdowen4848 (talk • contribs) 21:08, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from ASVero, 12 June 2010
In right hand pane for career summary, add one to total goals as player for England, to 17

ASVero (talk) 18:46, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Favonian (talk) 20:29, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes
This article is one of a number selected for the early stage of the trial of the Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Pending changes/Queue  are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

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Comments on the suitability of theis page for "Pending changes" would be appreciated.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:11, 17 June 2010 (UTC).

Images
Does anyone else feel that the bottom image on this article is unnecessary? And perhaps the top one in the article. Neither seem to add much to the article and just drown out the left hand side a bit. I'll remove them for now. -- Jack ?! 19:38, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Removing WP:RECENTism
I'm removing the following paragraph from the "International career" section:
 * On the 11th August 2010, Gerrard scored twice against Hungary to secure England a morale-boosting 2-1 victory after their dismal performance at the 2010 FIFA World Cup. His first goal was a sublime 20-yard half volley which sailed into the top right hand corner and his second came 4 minutes later when he collected a pass from Ashley Young inside the penalty box, danced through the Hungarian defence then prodded the ball past the goalkeeper.

That's way too much detail, WP:RECENTism and some serious WP:PEACOCKery for an inconsequential match, especially when the rest of the section provides a brief overview of his international career. --Mosmof (talk) 03:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Copied from my user talk:
 * Hello mate,
 * There are three reasons why you shouldn't have deleted the section on Steven Gerrard I added yesterday:
 * There are three reasons why you shouldn't have deleted the section on Steven Gerrard I added yesterday:


 * 1. It isn't my fault if there isn't enough detail about the rest of his international career and thats probably because people didn't used to use wikipedia so much in the past, but don't you think people will want to read about this? I think a player of Steven Gerrard's calibre deserves a little more description than he currently has.


 * 2. You say that I use too much 'flowery' language but I'm just trying to to portray a vivid image of the goals in the mind of the viewer! If I'd just said '20-yard strike' instead of 'sublime 20-yard half-volley' it would not have had the same effect. The usage of words such as 'sublime' and 'danced' adds flavour to the text and I personally don't think it should be discouraged.


 * 3. You call it an 'inconsequential match' but firstly the player in question captained the team, scored two brilliant goals, played in his favoured position under Capello for the first time and it was the first match England had played since the 2010 World Cup and therefore the 2-1 win was a much needed morale-booster and restored some fans faith in English football. How is this inconsequential? It was an important match for both the player and the team as a whole and I feel that it deserves a mention.


 * And one last proposition for you if you still don't see where I'm coming from: Would you mind not deleting it if I improved the rest of the 'International career' section to match the level of description in my segment? I could include more detail about his international tournaments and perhaps the other significant goals he has scored for England in the past.


 * Thanks for reading and please consider my words carefully. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ducksyonthemoon (talk • contribs) 08:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate repository of information, and should provide a basic summary to help understand a subject. A detailed description of a player's performance in a let's-pay-off-the-Wembley-debt friendly does not fit the project's mission.
 * "Sublime" and "morale-boosting" and "danced" tell us very little, and are not verifiable.
 * That's your own, subjective commentary, not verifiable fact.
 * I think the international section is pretty okay, if not perfect - it gives a nice summary of Gerrard's career with England. I don't think it needs a full rewrite. Mosmof (talk) 16:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Baros680
Please allow to edit Steven Gerrards height on the personal Info: It list's him here as 183cm tall (6ft) Steven Gerrard is Actually 188cm tall (6ft2) As confirmed in his autobiography (Steven Gerrard facts) and on his profile on goal.com (http://www.goal.com/en/people/england/1902/steven-gerrard)Baros680 (talk) 14:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks, Stickee (talk)  01:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Memorable Goals
Perhaps Steven Gerrard's most memorable and well remembered goal came during the major Champions League clash against Greek outfit Olympiakos in the 2004/05 season. Liverpool had struggled during the group stage and needed a win on the chilly December night at Anfield. The game was entering the closing stages with the score at 2-1 to Liverpool, that is until, Jamie Carragher picked up the ball on the left, put in a cross for Neil Mellor who's deft header fell perfectly into the path of Gerrard. There was only one thought in his mind, hit it. The perfectly timed half volley flew past the helpless goalkeeper and this is when the famous phrase from Andy Gray came out. "Oooooh yaaa beauty, what a hit son, what a hit!" This goal secured Liverpool's progress from the group stage, they would then go on all the way to the final in Istanbul and win it against favourites for the competition AC Milan.

The 2006 FA Cup Final. Also known as 'The Gerrard Final' pitched favourites Liverpool against perhaps the surprise of the tournament, West Ham. Liverpool were odds on certain to win the Cup, however early on when Jamie Carragher put the ball into his own net, the game was turned on its head. Dean Ashton further extended the Hammers lead before French International Djibril Cisse halved the deficit so Liverpool went into the half time interval trailing 2-1. From then on the game changed. Liverpool came out a different team and when Gerrard brought the 2 teams level with a perfecting executed finish from inside the area, many thought Liverpool would push on from their. However when Paul Konchesky's lucky cross/shot beat Pepe Reina many thought it just wasn't going to be Liverpool's day. That is until that man, local lad, Steven Gerrard thundered in a thunderous 35 yard volley past the flailing Shaka Hislop, the game went into Extra Time. Not many chances were created in the extra 30 minutes so the match went to penalties which Liverpool duly won, helped in no small part to Spanish shot stopper Pepe Reina, saving penalties from Bobby Zamora and the all important one from Anton Ferdinand which won Liverpool the cup. To this day, that memorable day in Cardiff is known as 'The Gerrard Final'

2005 Champions League Final. Liverpool vs AC Milan. Istanbul. Many were expecting AC Milan to walk this Final and it wouldn't be the most thrilling. How wrong they could be. Things got off to a terrible start when Djimi Traore needlessly gave away a foul, the resulting free kick lead to Paolo Maldini's 57 second goal. Things got worse when Hernan Crespo scored 2 more goals before half time to leave it 3-0 after 45 minutes. Surely the second half was just about damage limitation and playing for pride? Not for Liverpool FC, they dreamt they could do it. That dream became reality when 6 minutes of madness turned the tie on its head. Steven Gerrard's headed goal gave Liverpool real belief. After Vladimir Smicer had reduced the deficit to 3-2, it was captain fantastic again, Gerrard who won the penalty after he was hacked down in the area by football bad boy Gennaro Gatusso. Xabi Alonso initially missed the penalty however scored the resulting rebound. The score was evenly set a 3-3 going into Extra Time and only a quick array of unbelievable tekkers from Polish keeper Jerzy Dudek minutes from the end ensured Liverpool were still in it for the penalties. Dudek was the hero again as he saved Andriy Shevchenko's penalty which confined AC Milan to their defeat and Liverpool were crowned Champions of Europe for the 5th time. Again thanks mainly to Gerrard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TLFC1001 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

- Excessive praise ---

Before I start I am no opposing club fan. I was casually reading this article from a point of interest, and was genuinely taken aback at how exaggerated some of the article is. Even as far as the opening biogrophy...who has ever said that Steven Gerrard is one of the greatest English players of all time?

It's things like this that damage the integrity of wikipedia. Please could we try and avoid opinionated speculation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.23.87 (talk) 17:08, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Steven Gerrards early life
why hasnt anyone included Steven Gerrards early life growing up in the liverpool area of Huyton, its mentioned everywhere that he grew up in the suburb of Huyton, why hasent this been included before? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scouserrr (talk • contribs) 01:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 February 2012
Honours

Liverpool

FA Cup: (2): 2000–01, 2005–06 League Cup: (2): 2000–01, 2002–03   --> Runner up	2004–05 Football League Cup FA Community Shield: (2): 2001, 2006 UEFA Champions League: (1): 2004–05    ---> Runner up 2006–07 UEFA Champions League UEFA Cup: (1): 2000–01 UEFA Super Cup: (2): 2001, 2005

Af2647 (talk) 06:25, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. It isn't clear that "runner-up" belongs in that list, or how to present it. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 15:27, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a centralized discussion about that happening anywhere you can link us to? Achowat (talk) 15:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of. I was hoping that some of the frequent editors here might weigh in. My own two cents would be that it makes a good parenthetical comment at the end of the each line, but I could see reasonable people saying it isn't an honour, so it shouldn't be included. Celestra (talk) 16:48, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The argument on the other side is that (for Cups, at least) medals are given out to the runners-up. And, honestly, losing in the European Cup final is kind of a reasonable achievement, given that you've made it there. Runners up for the Charity Shield and UEFA Super Cup, however, should not be listed. Achowat (talk) 16:51, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 July 2012
In the 2011-12 season, Steven Gerrard had made 28 appearances and not 25.

RadikalRed (talk) 14:52, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a reliable source that lists his appearances as 28? Achowat (talk) 14:58, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Dubious goal against Norwich 2012-13
Gerrard was originally credited with the 5th goal in the Premier League fixture against Norwich City on 29 September 2012. After a sitting of the dubious goals panel on 23 October 2012, this goal was instead credited as a Leon Barnett own goal. Therefore statistics should be amended to reflect this. (http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/dubious-goals-panel-rulings-aug-2012-oct-2012.html)Prof bed (talk) 23:30, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 November 2012
Gerrard has played his 600th game today against New Castle, and the article clearly mentions 415 apps which is wrong! I want to rectify it! Thanks

Abdullahayubkh (talk) 18:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Hidden text in the infobox states "do not add cup [appearances] to this" and the 600 number includes cup appearances. The reason for not including cups is, I suspect, per consensus at WT:FOOTBALL or a related WikiProject, so you might want to confer with those folks if you want to change this. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:46, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it up, I was going to mention that it may be useful to add a sentence to the club section of the aricle (regarding the date on which he achieved that milestone). Talk 22:02, 7 November 2012 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.194.77 (talk)

Edit request on 20 December 2012
Steven Gerrard has now 3 goals in premier league this season! On this page on only says 2. I find this very frustraiting! Please fix it!

80.203.101.134 (talk) 15:48, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Gerrard has 2 Premier League goals and 1 Europa League goal.. not 3 Premier League goals.JMHamo (talk) 15:59, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Diving
If a paragraph on Gerrard's (accused) diving as well as criticism of diving were to be included, where should it go? These issues have been well documented: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.. Starship.paint (talk) 08:57, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * There seems to be nowhere else to put it except the lead? It's not a specific incident in his Liverpool or international career, much less anywhere else in the other sections. I could shorten the mention to a sentence. Starship.paint (talk) 10:43, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sixteen words seem succinct enough for the lead, added. Starship.paint (talk) 11:30, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem with this is that the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article; there shouldn't be anything in the lead that isn't in the article. I think, with a player so written about, we could probably start a section on playing style, views by others or something, and this could go in there. Ged  UK  12:55, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well I do agree that if a Playing Style section is started this should go in there instead of the lead, but unless such a section is started (with some information, can't have only the diving sentence in it) I don't see the information going anywhere from its current position in the lead. Starship.paint (talk) 13:22, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Information was deleted by Herve Reex, I undid that but left an edit summary directing to this talk page. Starship.paint (talk) 00:17, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Info was moved to the body vs Chie one. I relented and did not move it back, but I added back the removed sources and elaborated some info. Starship.paint (talk) 08:58, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 February 2013
Steven Gerrard has scored 6 goals in the premier league this season, on his stats it still says 5.

141.163.66.132 (talk) 20:13, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It's been recently updated. You might be seeing a cached version of the page.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:12, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I noticed that some individual honour's appear to be missing, he has won Standard Chartered Liverpool Player of the Month on three occasion's; September 2010, March 2012, January 2013.

Infobox image
Forgive me, but shouldn't the England Euro 2012 one be a better candidate. The one that shows his face more clearly? The Madras (talk) 08:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Gerrard first player to reach 100 caps without being dropped
I have used various websites to check and can see that Peter Shilton and ray Clemence would rotate spots in the first 11 David Beckham was dropped many times as a youngster and then later by Steve Maclaren Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton and Billy Wright have all been rotated during their careers and this can also bee seen on - http://www.englandfc.com/nostal/nostalgia.html Steven Gerrard is the only player since breaking in to the England first 11 to have started every game when fit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Traorebiscan (talk • contribs) 22:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 September 2013
Steven Gerrard has now played 445 games for liverpool, not 444, he played his 445th against Swansea City

92.234.172.253 (talk) 17:12, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This appears to have already been addressed. Dana boomer (talk) 21:53, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Irish descent
I notice that the article is in Category:English people of Irish descent. Searching the web I could find no evidence that Gerrard has any Irish descent. I know his cousin Anthony Gerrard has Irish grandparents but this does not necessarily mean that Steven does because everyone has two sets of grandparents, only one of which is shared with cousins, so I can't tell whether Anthony's Irish grandparents are also Steven's grandparents or not. Unless someone can provide evidence I will remove Gerrard from the category. The- (talk) 14:45, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Does seem to be original research, probably based solely on the surname. Ged  UK  11:21, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

ESPN Praise
I feel that we should attribute the quote in the lead saying that he is "one of the greatest English midfielders in history, a real leader, and a tireless runner with superb vision...with his striking from distance feared around the world and a prolific scorer for a midfielder" to ESPN, the site where the quote comes from. I think that might be important to include. Adamh4 (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I disagree — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.54.191 (talk) 15:36, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

honours / individual achievements
goal of the month award Liverpool fc player of the season/year award — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.255.167.209 (talk) 14:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

THAT Slip
Can someone please mention his potential title costing slip against Chelsea to let in Demba Ba. It's also become a popular meme and chant in the weeks since, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.154.27 (talk • contribs) 8 May 2014
 * It's in there now. Ged  UK  12:02, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Late foul
Under "Liverpool career", "Beginnings". Second paragraph the phrase "late foul" is used. My request is for someone to either rephrase this sentence to be understandable for a non football fan or to provide a link that explains what a "late foul" is.

Apologies, I know it's a small thing and with any entry there is a certain amount of knowledge assumed of the reader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.173.13.206 (talk) 00:05, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks! I've taken out the word 'late' as you can't have a late foul. It was a foul because the tackle was late (ie the ball had already gone). I've linked to the Fouls and Misconduct (association football) article. Ged  UK  11:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2015
The below mentioned piece of text in the actual main page contains two instances of the word "the" consecutively in the forst sentence. This is a grammatical error.

On 1 January 2015, he announced that he would leave Liverpool at the end of the the season.

Should be:

On 1 January 2015, he announced that he would leave Liverpool at the end of the season.

Nuttysplash (talk) 05:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks! Mosmof (talk) 05:55, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Arrangement of honours
In my opinion, Steven Gerrards club honors should look like this:

Club

 * Liverpool
 * FA Cup (2): 2000–01, 2005–06
 * League Cup (3): 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12
 * FA Community Shield (1): 2006
 * UEFA Champions League (1): 2004–05
 * UEFA Cup (1): 2000–01
 * UEFA Super Cup (2): 2001, 2005

The current arrangement is pretty messy and it's annoying to compare him to other players. I think that the runners-up 'honors' should be removed as they are probably not considered honors for a player of his caliber. When you look at players of similar status such as Lampard, Scholes etc., the times that they have come second in the league or lost cup finals are not listed. It is usually only players of much less recognition who have runners up honors credited. (For example Curtis Weston who has played mainly in the lower divisions has his FA Cup final loss with Millwall from 2004 listed.)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2015
Steven Gerrard last game with Liverpool F.C was las night he is going to L.A Galaxy now

75.159.193.67 (talk) 15:56, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * X mark.svg Not done Do you have any source saying he is leaving immediately? QED237&#160;(talk) 16:01, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2015
On 15th October 2013 Steven Gerrard became Liverpool's longest serving captain, surpassing Alec Raisbeck's record of ten years. He went on to be captain for 12 years, remaining a record to this day.

Source: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steven-gerrard-poised-become-liverpool-5432269

James1399 (talk) 12:35, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks. See the edit Mosmof (talk) 15:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

THAT stamp
Can someone please mention Gerrards red card against United at Anfield this season. I believe it was one of the fastest red cards in Premier League history. Other red cards during his career are mentioned on the page and this one was especially notable considering the fact that it was the final time he played against United, see Liverpool F.C.–Manchester United F.C. rivalry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.205.192.225 (talk) 11:13, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2015
I just want to add steven gerrards new club Los Angeles Galaxy to his current club

Getrwuegyweh V2 (talk) 18:24, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


 * ❌ - as the article states "He will join LA Galaxy in July 2015" so it is not his "current club" - yet - Arjayay (talk) 18:32, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2015

 * ✅ Ged  UK  11:08, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2015
Steven Gerrard Liverpool FC career stats poster

92.237.92.212 (talk) 09:08, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

❌ That's just spam. Wouldn't work on wikipedia. Ged UK  11:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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Early Life
There is no mention that Steven Gerrard had club foot. The wikipedia article on clubfoot mentions it and there are several reputable sources that comment on it:

http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/famous-clubfoot.shtml

http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/father-claims-nhs-abandoned-son/story-11902206-detail/story.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1233453/Our-beautiful-bionic-boy-TV-newswoman-Paula-Middlehurst.html

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Edit Request 23 Nov 2016
Can someone fix this please :

Gerrard took and scored Los Angeles' first spot-kick and scored

There is one "and scored" too many. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.73.228.30 (talk) 21:08, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for pointing out the problem, I have remove the second occurrence. Keith D (talk) 13:48, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2017
Hello.

Please change the following sentence from the lead section- He will become the full-time coach of Liverpool Academy in February 2017

to this one- He will become the full-time coach of Liverpool Academy in February 2017 under the stewardship of Alex Inglethorpe. Vinyl Guy (talk) 07:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The reference has to come from an reliable third-party source. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball 12:12, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2017
On 27 April, Gerrard was involved in what was later labelled as a defining moment of the 2013–14 Premier League season; where Liverpool would ultimately finish second.[95][96][97] Liverpool originally topped the league when they faced Chelsea in their third last match of the season. Gerrard later admitted he slipped while receiving a pass which allowed Demba Ba to score the opening goal for Chelseaas he could not handle the pressure; Chelsea went on to win 2–0, which meant that Liverpool's title hopes were no longer in their own hands.[98][99] Gerrard finished the season with 13 goals and the League's most assists at 13.[100] Gerrard was also a nominee for the PFA Player of the Year award that year,[101] while he won the 2014 Liverpool Echo Sports Personality Award.[102] Gerrard would later refer to this period as "the worst three months of my life".[103][104] 1234JAMIE (talk) 13:54, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


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Slippy G
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Change visibility
Hi, would someone change visibility of this revision as well - I am suspecting the first sentence was added in the deleted revision made by Mufc2000. Iggy (talk) 18:18, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:29, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2018
most goals scored by an English player in a single Champions League season: 7, (shared with Harry Kane)

Source: http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/kane-equals-english-record-with-champions-league-goal/c7duze2xgz5y1ooofr5zu6uey 197.227.86.108 (talk) 12:47, 24 April 2018 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2018
Please remove Category:English people of Irish descent since there is nothing in the article about him being of Irish descent. 2A02:C7D:3CAF:D900:6DBB:67BC:E34A:71A2 (talk) 20:52, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like you added that category with this edit. Can you respond? &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 03:22, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Correct, and there was nothing about it when the category was added in Special:Diff/821709012/821709212, consequently I have removed it per WP:BLPRS. Thanks for spotting this. Sam Sailor 23:25, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2018
He is also known by the nickname 'Stevie G'. AstonMartin56 (talk) 19:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


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User edit warring over years being listed
I’ve made my three reverts. User Formulaonewiki (talk) has made four, which is effectively edit warring. I inserted the three years for Gerrard being named in the FIFA XI, and did so to signify his peak years. Years being listed is not prohibited, Thierry Henry’s featured article has his. To remove that is doing so with no reason. Along comes Formulaonewiki, removes the Gerrard years with no edit summary, then today removes it four times, and states, “this was agreed upon for months”. Since it was me who told him to take any issue to the talk page, where is the agreement over whether years should be listed? F8RIL (talk) 13:37, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Your justification for including the years (pointlessly) based on Thierry Henry makes no sense, the exact years are not listed there either. It is a SUMMARY, it is not NECESSARY for the years to be listed. To give an example that is directly comparable to the section you are continually changing for no reason, "He [Henry] was named the PFA Players' Player of the Year twice, and the FWA Footballer of the Year three times, and has been named in the UEFA Team of the Year five times." which clearly doesn't include the years quoted in brackets.


 * Based on your logic you should also include in brackets the year for everything else mentioned in the head, suggesting it should be changed to "In his 17 seasons at Anfield (1998-2015), Gerrard won a total of two FA Cups (2001, 2006), three League Cups (2001, 2003, 2012), one UEFA Champions League (2005), one UEFA Cup (2001), one FA Community Shield (2006) and one UEFA Super Cup (2001)." which is clearly ridiculous and not necessary. You have literally zero argument using Henry to back it up, in any case you've presented an example of a featured article which demonstrates the contrary. Formulaonewiki (talk) 13:44, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Ok, again, given the subject is personal awards, and given the years of his other personal awards are listed, your comment is irrelevant. Where is the agreement over whether to list years? Direct me please. F8RIL (talk) 13:45, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * My argument isn't invalid because you are apparently incapable of understanding it? The second paragraph was clearly an example demonstrating the inconsistency of your logic. The excerpt in the first paragraph was directly lifted from Theirry Henry and is CLEARLY the exact same type of award and sentence as the one you are trying to change. The years of those awards are clearly NOT LISTED. Read it again.


 * Also, check your facts before you start trying to 'expose' me for clearing up your continuous edits, you have made more than three reverts in the last 24 hours also. Formulaonewiki (talk) 13:49, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * To try and what is already clear even clearer, because apparently you require it: "In 2003 and 2004, Henry was the runner-up for the FIFA World Player of the Year. He was named the PFA Players' Player of the Year twice, and the FWA Footballer of the Year three times, and has been named in the UEFA Team of the Year five times."


 * Is the exact same in what is included and not as: "[Gerrard] was named in the PFA Team of the Year a record eight times, the UEFA Team of the Year and the FIFA World XI three times, was named PFA Players' Player of the Year in 2006 and the FWA Footballer of the Year in 2009" and therefore your argument makes no sense. Based on Thierry Henry, the sentence is fine as it is. Formulaonewiki (talk) 13:52, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Listing years of trophies won is not the subject. Individual awards is the subject. My justfication was to signify his peak years, as a player, hence individual awards. Years of his other two awards are listed. Since it was me who directed you to the talk page for any issue, you said there was an agreement, where is it? F8RIL (talk) 13:54, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * What agreement are you talking about? Also READ WHAT I JUST SAID. I HAVE QUITE CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED THAT THE SENTENCES ABOUT THE EXACT SAME TYPE OF PERSONAL AWARD ARE THE SAME. Don't just ignore it because it completely undermines your justification.


 * To repeat: "In 2003 and 2004, Henry was the runner-up for the FIFA World Player of the Year. He was named the PFA Players' Player of the Year twice, and the FWA Footballer of the Year three times, and has been named in the UEFA Team of the Year five times." Is the exact same in what is included and not as: "[Gerrard] was named in the PFA Team of the Year a record eight times, the UEFA Team of the Year and the FIFA World XI three times, was named PFA Players' Player of the Year in 2006 and the FWA Footballer of the Year in 2009" and therefore your argument makes no sense. Based on Thierry Henry, the sentence is fine as it is. Formulaonewiki (talk) 13:57, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * For the fourth time, where is the agreement over whether to list years? In the edit summary of your four reverts you stated there was an agreement, where is it? Regarding Henry, his article contains a FIFA award, and multiple years. It is not prohibited. F8RIL (talk) 14:05, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * What is this agreement you keep going on about?!? You clearly are deliberately being obtuse aren't you, my argument is clear, the sentences are virtually identical. Henry's article states he was included in the UEFA TOTY five times and does not list (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006) like you are trying to do with Gerrard's. Stop using the word 'prohibited' and dramatising it, it is simply not necessary. I'm not going to repeat myself any more, it could not be more abundantly clear that the example given suggests the article stays as it is and unless you have any other justification beyond quoting Thierry Henry (which as I said, clearly supports the status quo) then the discussion is closed and it stays as it is. Formulaonewiki (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2019
games played for liverpool 504 to 695 Sarthak1341 (talk) 09:53, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: According to the career stats table at the bottom of the article, the 504 figure is correct. The infobox should show domestic league matches only, as is stated at the bottom of the box. Also, I'm not sure how you've derived 695 as the table shows total stats as 710. Nzd   (talk)  11:33, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Raised in Whiston?
Articles says he was raised in Whiston, this is false. He was born in Whiston hospital and was raised in Huyton. It's common knowledge and is also confirmed by the Huyton wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yourma2000 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ REDMAN 2019 (talk) 10:52, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2020
cchoosen by daily telegraph as liverpool's greatest player move it into the next paragraph.)) 183.82.140.82 (talk) 09:23, 4 April 2020 (UTC)


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Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2020
choosen by daily telegraph as liverpool's greatest player move it into the next paragraph 183.82.137.81 (talk) 08:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2020
You put the wrong number of goals for Liverpool. It should be 186 not 120 Haroldinhooo6273 (talk) 09:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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GA nom?
Hi all I want to nominate Gerrard for Good Article but I would like to get others opinion before I do it. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 11:19, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello? Anyone? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 13:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If I don't get a response then I'm just gonna nominate it without any consensus. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 11:08, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've had a look through it, and it seems a good candidate to me. I've not gone through it line by line, but there's a good structure, it's well sourced, and doesn't seem particularly hagiographic. Good luck! Ged  UK  14:45, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I will proceed to nominate it. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:55, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Second Paragraph
Can someone please fix the spelling mistake second paragraph, second sentance?

Gerrard helped Liverpool secure a unpreidicted treble of cups - to 'an unpredicted'

Janieus (talk) 19:57, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting the problem. I have made the change for you. Keith D (talk) 23:24, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * A hardworking box-to-box player with great endurance in his prime, Gerrard was usually deployed as...
 * Four days after the impressive victory over Real, Gerrard would score at Old Trafford for the first time from the penalty spot, putting Liverpool ahead on their way to a 4‚Äì1 victory over Manchester United.
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