Talk:Steven Hartley

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I am the brother of the subject of this page and have corrected any in accurate information added by other contributors BisouPatrick (talk) 20:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @BisouPatrick could you add a source to the phrases you added? Its pretty much the moment, as we are in a deletion discussion. If he appeared on such prominent movies, there should be some coverage, right? Else someone might remove the unsourced and see what is left.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 13:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not have the technical ability to upload sources or the time I am afraid, but his work is easily verified via these links
 * https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0366889/?ref_=login    This is the international movie database with every movie/TV he's done and every actor he's worked with.
 * https://www.ahatalent.co.uk/actor/steven-hartley/  This is his CV on his agents website
 * Or just Google the guy.
 * This guy is a prominent actor in UK his work is well known. Why would anyone delete the page as he is a public figure in The UK
 * Perhaps you could help by adding these sources.
 * Thanks
 * BisouPatrick 82.38.129.193 (talk) 14:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Like we said before, IMBd is NOT a reliable source. Same thing goes to the management company website ahatalent. If he is really notable then he should at least meet WP:GNG. We are not trying to be difficult, but have laid out guidelines which may or may not change from time to time and right now at its present state does not demonstrate WP:N. Jamiebuba (talk) 15:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok well I am afraid this feels malicious as all the information regarding his career is accurate and can be verified very easily. A short trip through google verifies his notability and career. If IMDB is not a reliable source then use another film database or reference points. As I stated I do not have that technical ability, but you clearly do. it seems as though someone is intent on disproving his existence and career. I am at loss to understand why someone is doing this.
 * This is my brother and and I update and contribute regularly so anyone interested in his career has reference. But you wish to undo this. His work CV and people he has worked with is accurate. BisouPatrick (talk) 20:46, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @BisouPatrick we do have the ability to source information, this is really easy for probably for well over 95% of the wikipedia editors. Anyhow, Wikipedia is not a personal blog, Wikipedia is aiming to be an encyclopedia with reliably verifiable information for everyone. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @BisouPatrick Could you please have a read of the following article Autobiography? You can click on the embedded link or the full URL is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Autobiography It explains Wikipedia's policies about why conflict of interest editing is not allowed on Wikipedia, and why, in order to have a Wikipedia page, you have to be willing to allow other people to edit it. If you're not comfortable with this, maybe it's not worth keeping a Wikipedia page. But if you are willing to work within the guidelines, and enough secondary coverage is found about Steven's career, the good news is that at the moment you have the attention of a lot of Wikipedia volunteers who are happy to work with you on fixing the article. It just means that you will not have full control, and it may not turn out exactly the way you wish it could look (although of course we will strive to fix any inaccuracies). If this isn't what you were looking for, there are many other wikis and web sites which will give you full control, which may be more appropriate for the purposes of promoting Steven. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, Thank you for your clarity, I have now read the guidelines. I did not start this page, I have merely updated and contributed. I am happy to work within the guidelines and with other editors. I am not an editor merely a contributor. What I do not understand is how an editors opinion is allowed to stand when it is inaccurate, so one contributor stated that 'He has only played minor roles' this is an opinion not fact when it is clear that the person in question has played leading and principle roles. The same contributor said he had 'Only played a Cop in the Bill' this is inaccurate but is allowed to stand. This was backed up by a trash tabloid newspaper article. which had the word 'Cop' in the headline. I understand that WIKi is not a promotional tool nor have I treated like one, I have always sought to update fact not opinion. Obviously I am not aware of the format used on a page and perhaps it needs updating to your current format so I am happy for any help that is given. However I would ask any contributors to deal in Facts not opinions and perhaps check the source material not just accept it as true. So some people are questioning my brothers involvement in Films, TV and theatre without thoroughly checking. once again thank you for your help and I hope we can work positively together. 82.38.129.193 (talk) 13:28, 14 December 2022 (UTC)