Talk:Steven Plaut/Archive 1

NPOV Issues with recent legal issues
Here is a Ha'aretz article that covers the side not present in the current version of the article:  --Deodar 19:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That is a dead link.

Ruthfulbarbarity 07:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Try here: RolandR 00:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

This article has gone way beyond reasonable reporting and now amounts to a vicious and probably legally libellous attack on Neve Gordon and Rim Naddaf. I'm listing it at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. --Zerotalk 13:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Ma'ariv Article
I  have removed the inaccurate summary of Ben-Dror Yemini's column on 23 June 23 2006. He did not "Attack judge Naddaf as a neo-nazi and a Holocaust denier". In fact, he did not even name her, nor even identify the trial. He was making a general point about the limits of free speech, and used the (unnamed) judge's words as an illustration. RolandR 15:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

The section on the Gordon versus Plaut trial is so clearly biased, it looks like it was written by Plaut himself. For a decisive refutation of the charges raised by Alan Dershowitz against Gordon, see Gordon's response in an article titled, "Anti-Semitism? Mr. Dershowitz, You Just Don't Like What I Say" http://www.counterpunch.org/gordon11082006.html


 * Steady on, folks, we are supposed to give a fair report of what involved persons claim, not to argue the case ourselves. Opinions have to be in the name of people who gave them, not in straight narrative. --Zerotalk 05:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The article needs one more good example of an article supportive of Gordon against Plaut. At the moment there is only Gordon defending himself. --Zerotalk 05:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Consistent Misrepresentation
There have been consistent attempts to revert to an older and false version of the section on the Neve Gordon versus Plaut civil suit. This false version presents the person found by the court to have been a perpetrator of libel (Plaut) as the victim, while the plaintiff (Gordon) and the judge are portrayed as villains. This is compounded by demonstrably false claims, as if Israeli journalists accused the judge of being a neo-Nazi and holocaust denier. They did not. The nature and content of these allegations, raise the suspicion that Steven Plaut himself is behind these claims. It seems he is using this forum to 'win' what he lost in court. Can this be stopped?

edit war
I had a comment on my talk about edit warring here, and IMO it would be really cool were that to stop. Please don't add or remove any information on this article. If you disagree with something, discuss it here. Please read WP:3RR, and remember that any more than 3 reverts in any 24-hour period will result in a block. Thanks! ST47 Talk 20:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand why you request that information not be removed. But why do you request that nothing be added? Surely new -- and properly cited -- information vcan only add to our understanding, and improve the article.--RolandR 01:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That may have been overgeneralizing for me to say that, just don't revert anything and don't add or remove the specific thing that was being warred over until it's been decided on, it isn't going to help the project. ST47 Talk 01:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

BLP
I've sprotected the article because the anon edits here may be related to the vandalism and abuse elsewhere directed at one of the editors. I don't know what the issues are exactly, but having glanced at the diff, it seems one bone of contention may be that articles from Counterpunch are used as sources. It's important to source any criticism of a living person from the best sources possible, and for that reason, publications such as Counterpunch and Frontpagemag are best avoided. Anything negative about a living person must be impeccably sourced and written very neutrally, or else should be removed. Basically, if in doubt, remove it. See WP:BLP, which applies to talk pages too.

It's quite common for living persons and their friends and family, if they feel they're being treated unfairly on Wikipedia, to resort to tactics that end up seeing them blocked. The ArbCom is very sympathetic to this, because the priority is to be as fair as possible to living persons, within the policies. Perhaps the regular editors here could try to go the extra mile in the interests of fairness, because that might put a stop to the vandalism, which is becoming quite extensive. Not that I'm excusing it, but sometimes people feel they have no other way to express themselves. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 10:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with the sprotect, and I've done the same a few times myself for this article. However, the problem is not what you identify.  It is the anon/new editors (almost surely socks of the same individual) who repeatedly and egregiously violate BLP.  Such as "Norman Finkelstein, widely regarded as a Holocaust Denier", "Israeli writer Alon Dahan has denounced Gordon as a neo-nazi", "Judge Rim Naddaf, an Arab woman with radical anti-Israel views" (add racism to the charge), etc. Not to mention the unsourced repetition of claims that the Israeli court ruled to be libelous. I'm not saying the article is perfect, of course. --Zerotalk 11:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, okay, thanks. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I also agree with the sprotect. It seems that it isn't just anons though.  In the case of the Finkelstein libel at least, it's being added by a registered user.--G-Dett 16:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to me there, I added the libel inadvertently, by reverting to the wrong version. Some other "registered users" may as well be anonymous, since the accounts seem to be established purely in order to repeat Plaut's original libel in Wikipedia. It would be interesting to see where these edits are being posted from. Anyway, semi-protection will mean that accounts can't be established and immediately used to vandalise this article; and if they vandalise others in the mean time, they won't remain users long enough to be able to edit this one. RolandR 16:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies Roland, and thanks for the explanation. --G-Dett 17:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Plaut's spoofing and spamming activities
Messages posted on 13 April 2004 to the ALEF electronic discussion forum (which is based at the University of Haifa) seem to indicate something about Plaut's mentality. These messages, which were posted to ALEF by somebody else and which seem to report on an email conversation that Plaut had with someone who was banned from the ALEF forum for excessive spamming, seem to indicate that Plaut boasted about stealing the ALEF membership list so that messages could be sent to ALEF members without being passed through the ALEF system. Specifically, Plaut seems to have written the following. The typographical errors appeared in the original: I stoll their membership list. If you want to sen dthings to the whole list, use any email and send to: (via BCC so they do not know what you are doing): ...Put the alef address in the header and write (alef) before subject and they will think it is coming thru their list!

He also seemed to be connected with somebody called Rocky who, pretending to be a pro-Zionism Palestinian living in the West Bank, used the pseudonym "Yusuf" to plague the ALEF list with racist emails until he was excluded from the forum. Look at Rocky's description to see how Rocky finally made a mistake which spilled the beans. http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=5008

Rocky, apparently a friend of Steven Plaut (certainly a fellow conspirator), is a Zionist who harassed the ALEF electronic discussion forum for a period during the Autumn of 2004. Rocky masqueraded as a pro-Zionist Palestinian Arab living in the West Bank, using the pseudonyms "Yusuf Abdullah" and "Yusuf Chouri" for this invented persona. Unfortunately for himself and for Plaut, Rocky screwed up, as he confesses in the first email quoted below, which he sent to Plaut but which he accidentally copied to all the people named in the cc (carbon-copy distribution) list for the message. One of the recipients, copied it to the ALEF forum. Rocky must have been very het up when he sent this email, because, when sending it, he repeated the same error that he admits in the email -- that is, he copied what was intended to be a private conspiratorial message to many of the people who were the intended victims of his conspiracy. [Rocky's repeated use of the acronym "BBC" below is incorrect -- it should be "BCC" or "bcc" (blind carbon-copy distribution).]

The emphasis on blind carbon-copy (bcc) is especially interesting because it is reminiscent of an instruction that Plaut had given a few months earlier: in April 2004, Plaut had boasted that he had stolen the ALEF emailing list and said that the best way to fool ALEF subscribers into believing that they were receiving messages from the ALEF server was to use bcc when sending out mass-mailings -- see above.

Below is the email in which Rocky confesses his mistake to Steven Plaut. The typographical errors appeared in the original:

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:47:58 -0800 (PST) From: Yusuf Jones Subject: Ohhhh, Nooooooo To: Steven_Plaut@yahoo.com Cc: [list of addresses that were herein are being deleted to protect them] X-Probable-Spam: no X-Spam-Hits: 0.986 X-Scanned-By: smtp.ucla.edu

Steven,

It just happened. I may have ****ed up royally. I just sent out my first batch of "[ALEF] Get that monkey off my back" emails. My first attempts at sending them as BBC all failed. I got the message "There was a problem. Your BBC contains too many addresses." In the past I was able to have up to 25 BBCs per each mailing. SO I reducedc it to 20... then 15... then a dozen and still got the error message. So I transferred the addresses from BBC to CC and was able to send off all 25 of them.

Then it hit me! I forgot to remove YOUR name from the list so your email went out with those first 25. I'm usually very careful about things like that which is why I generally only use BBC. But my mind is pre-occupied with so many other things that need to be done that I got careless.

I havonly sent out those first 25 emails. I won't send out the remainder. I hope this will not cause a problem.

Sorry, Rocky

Apparently, Rocky's above email was triggered by the mistake that he had made, a few minutes earlier, when he sent the following email. Again, the typographical errors appeared in the original:

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:41:00 -0800 (PST) From: Yusuf Jones Subject: [ALEF] Get That Monkey Off My Back! To: steven_Plaut@yahoo.com Cc: [Recients are again deleted herein for their privacy] X-Probable-Spam: no X-Spam-Hits: 1.051 X-Spam-Score: * X-Scanned-By: smtp.ucla.edu

I strongly suspect that my Hotmail account was sabotaged by Ran HaCohen. You know. The Ran HaCohen who endorses Hizbollah attacks on Northern Israel. The help prevent this from happening again, the good people at Yahoo have installed a security wall (actually, it's an electronic fence) around my new account. They agree that an Israel-supporting Arab's voice is a terrible thing to waste.

Re: Arab Fiddle While Nablus Burns"

I know there's plenty of accusatory middle fingers pointed at the IDF for making that Arab play "Chopsticks" on his fiddle. From what I can see, they only wanted to be sure there were no rocket launchers, small nuclear devices or perhaps a half dozen Arab midgets with rocks inside his case. This was a defensive move, pure and simple. But the pro-Arab propagandists and certain Jewish intellectual professors connected the dots and saw a similarity between Jews made to play at death camps.

This was not the case at that checkpoint. If you were to look closely at photos, you'd see quite clearly that there was a hat [with "Go Red Socks" on it] at this Arab's dusty sandals and inside that hat was quite a significant collection of Israeli sheckels. The man was not there being humiliated. He was there trying to make a few bucks! What next? Perhaps Ran HaCohen at the end of a monkey chain playing Richard Wagner tunes?

Peace. Shalom. Salam.

Yusuf, your token Arab who adores Israel.

[The email just quoted was triggered by the fact that Ran HaCohen had complained to Microsoft about the use of a hotmail account, to send the racist email quoted below to the ALEF forum. Microsoft disabled that account on 8 December 2004, because it violated the Hotmail Terms of Use. This upset Rocky, leading to the sequence of emails from Rocky to Plaut quoted above. Two days before Rocky sent the sequence of emails quoted above, he had sent the following piece to his list of ALEF subscribers. This email, which was sent by Rocky using the pseudonym "Yusuf Abdullah", was prompted by the fact that, after repeated violations, his previous "Yusuf Chouri" persona had been excluded from the ALEF forum.]

From: "Yusuf Abdullah" To: [recipient deleted herein] Subject: [ALEF] Arabs 4 Israel .. Including Me Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:40:50 -0500

I nearly s**t out my Arab pancreas when I was sent a link to this page! "Arabs for Israel" http://www.arabsforisrael.com/pages/1/

I hate to say this but these guys make most of the [ALEF] crew look like [PFLP] supporters.

Hey, don't take this remark personally for I truly wish to have my [ALEF] membership re-established [ASAP]. I ask that you please put in a few good words for me.

Peace. Shalom. Salam, Yusuf

[A few days earlier, Rocky, still using his earlier "Yusuf Chouri" persona, had sent the following email to Avraham Oz, moderator of the ALEF forum, complaining abut the fact that, finally, "Yusuf" had been excluded from the forum, after ignoring repeated requests to abide by the rules of the forum. Again, the typographical errors appeared in the original:

From: "yusuf chouri" Date: 03:03:59 GMT+02:00 2 =E3=F6=EE=E1=F8 2004 To: alef@list.haifa.ac.il Subject: [ALEF] "How Dare You!"

How dare ALEF terminate my membership as a free Arab man and scholar and deny me the right to post commentary onto the ALEF site!

Do you not like what a free-thinking, educated Arab has to say? Must I agree and march lockstep with your anti-Zionist views? Can I not admire brave Jews who struggle daily against both external treats and threats by its very own citizens?

Yesterday, a certain Yael Korin wrote the following message to ALEF members. "I do believe that this address [yusef_chouri@hotmail.com] belong to a provocateur, that has taken up a middle eastern sounding name, so they could pretend to be someone they are not."

First of all, I use the name, Yusuf Chouri, to keep my true identity secret for I live in what you call the "occupied territories" and would certainly be branded as a collaborator. You see, I see it differently than my fellow Palestinians. I see Arab murderers and thieves as occupying=A0your land. Further, were it not for Arab thugs, than we are now under Fatah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas.

Secondly, who does Yael Korin think she is lecturing me about pretending to be someone I are not? I have attached a photo of Yael Korin pretending to be an Arab when, in fact, she was born a Jew! She even wrapped on a kaffiya! And you think I am the one with a problem!

You think I am the one with a sick, dual personality. You think I am the enemy?

There are others among you that deserve to be investigated. People like that flunky Marxist, anti-Semite, anti-Zionist professor Ran Greenstein at some backwater South African university. Now that he's abandoned Israel, moved thousands of miles away and married a shvastse, does he have the right to cast shame on Israel? Shouldn't he more concerned about trying not to be eaten by the local cannibals? And, speaking of local cannibals, do any of his students know how to read? Why is he allowed to spew hatred against Israel while I cannot spew love and admiration for the Israeli people? What, may I ask, is ALEF's purpose? To make Israel safer or to denegrate her at every turn?

In conclusion, I ask that you reinstate me onto your ALEF group. I also appeal directly to Avraham "Oz", the wizard who created the ALEF group. Without his personal efforts to bring together Jews for Jihad, how would the world understand why more Jews are in therapy than any other group on the face of the earth. Continuing along this line of thought, I cannot help wonder if they make explosive belts in his size.

I look forward to my re-instatement into ALEF. A letter of apology would be appreciated but not expected.

Peace. Shalom. Salam. Yusuf Chouri

[The email above, which reeks of racism, is a good example of the kind of stuff that Rocky, using the pseudonym "Yusuf Chouri", had been previously sending to the ALEF forum and for which he had been removed from the forum. Its use of the word "shvastse" (presumably a typo for "shvartse", Yiddisch for "black") is just yet another giveaway of that fact that, while he pretends to be a Palestinian Arab, he is basically someone whose English is laced with Yiddisch -- he would appear to be a Jewish American.] 190.64.226.190 21:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2007/04/27/computerworld-interviews-tikun-olam-over-steven-plaut-cyberstalking/#more-2410

Computerworld Interviews Tikun Olam Over Steven Plaut Cyberstalking

April 27, 2007 at 5:52 pm

My thanks to Mary Brandel for taking up the subject of cyberstalking in today's Computerworld article, Five Ways to Defeat Blog Trolls and Cyberstalkers (for full page version). She interviewed me at length and we had a comprehensive discussion on the subject. This is a topic that internet free speech absolutists and blogging platforms and hosts don't take nearly seriously enough. Personally, I think we all need to treat this not just as a free speech issue but as an issue of human dignity, respect and rights.

As I mentioned in the article, I appreciate blogging platforms like Wordpress which give their users innovative plugins allowing them to exert more control, if they wish, over the content and tone of their comment threads. Further development of such features should be encouraged by the platforms. Plugin authors are playing a major role in providing the tools to combat blog trolling and other cybermischief.

The latest on my cyberstalker, Steven Plaut. I spoke with Neve Gordon this week about his libel case against the former. Gordon expects the District Court (acting as a court of appeals) to render a verdict in the case which Plaut originally lost. It may come as early as a month from now. I asked Neve whether Plaut had created a fake blog through Blogger as revenge against Gordon's legal action. As I suspected, Plaut did create one. It isn't active now, but thankfully it's preserved through the Internet Archive's invaluable Wayback Machine. This further confirms Plaut as my cyberstalker fraud blogger since he's also created a fake Blogger blog about Roland Rance after Rance took an active role in writing the Wikipedia article on Plaut. I find it remarkable that with a pattern of fraudulent behavior such as this that Blogger would continue to stand behind the fig leaf of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

I've made clear before here that I understand the importance of Section 230 as a protection for web and blog hosts from third parties who upload illegal material to their servers. But Section 230 shouldn't give a blank check to such hosts and absolve them of any responsibility to remove vulgar, defamatory material which damages the victim's psyche and reputation. Just because you're protected from liability doesn't mean you aren't free to use common sense as a host. Bsinet used such common sense in taking down Masada2000. Unfortunately, Blogger takes a more obstinate, unreasonable position.

My brother discovered Google's public listing of its top five executive officers and one of them, Jonathan Rosenberg, is senior vice president for marketing. I contacted his executive assistant who, on first conversation with me understood the severe annoyance this fake blog caused me and said she hoped there was something that might be done. She asked me to forward all the supporting material to her and she said she'd bring it to the attention of someone at Blogger. Within a few minutes she replied:

…It appears that there is nothing more Blogger can do and you must go after the creator of the website.

Which is of course not true. There is plenty Blogger CAN do; but nothing that it WILL do.

My hope is that if Gordon's victory is upheld by the Israeli court there would then be a pattern of lawbreaking established. I'll be querying an Israeli attorney about whether I would have standing to sue Plaut in Israel (or here). If not, we may try to persuade other Israelis who've been similarly slandered by Plaut to sue him.190.64.212.119 21:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Admin assistance needed
I am afraid that this item is not going to raise much controversy with my colleagues from both sides of this discussion. The article talks about "hisorical memory of the Holocaust" instead of "historical memory". Since editing is blocked, I would appreciate if an admin can fix the problem. In the meantime, I will think of something more shocking to say! ;-) gidonb 02:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Plaut soapbox?
RolandR's latest edit amounts to this:

1. Restoring an unsourced allegation from a leftist magazine that Plaut wrote under the name "Solomon Socrates."

2. Deleting, without explanation, and without disputing the facts, a paragraph listing the points Plaut made to explain his claims about Gordon.

3. Deleting, without explanation, a quotation from the verdict that is interpreted by Plaut's supporters as advocacy of Holocaust denial.

4. Restoring a long reply from Gordon to Dershowitz, which is relevant to Gordon and Dershowitz, but not to an entry on Plaut.

5. Deleting the link to letters by Dershowitz and Plaut in reply to Gordon.

In effect, RolandR has deleted relevant and properly sourced material and restored irrelevant and/or unsourced material. All of these changes are hostile to Plaut and friendly to Gordon. Perhaps RolandR could explain how he reconciles this conduct with WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:NOT?

Truthprofessor 00:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sir, an edit war is NOT going to solve this, and I am growing tired of having sockpuppets blocked. PLEASE DISCUSS your changes with other editors, or visit WP:RfC, WP:MEDCAB, or WP:MEDCOM. ST47 Talk 00:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, but what do you think he was doing right above your post? He's discussing it. If you have something to add to the discussion, add it. If you have proof that he's a sockpuppet - please present it. If you have none of the above, kindly stay out of this discussion. Isarig 00:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sir, I do not have proof, but i have reasonable evidence. The article has had this going on for months. That you choose to call the user who hasn't been blocked a vandal right after the page is protected is not proof of anything, at least not to me. ST47 Talk 01:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh? Who have I called a vandal? What is your reasonable proof that Truthprofessor is a sockpuppet? Isarig 01:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The claim by ST47 that I'm a sockpuppet is false and disgraceful and I request that he withdraw it at once. Truthprofessor 01:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Replies to points from above: 1. It is not unsourced, it is sourced to Tikkun which is a highly respected magazine. 2. This is just an attack on Gordon which obviously violates WP:BLP, and anyway this is not an article on Neve Gordon. 3. Obviously violates WP:BLP in respect to Judge Nadaf. 4. The article is obviously relevant and its presence here is justified by the prominence given to Dershowitz's attack on Gordon. 5. I don't object to that link. --Zerotalk 13:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * In reply:
 * 1. I meant that the Tikkun allegation is unsourced. The Tikkun writer gave absolutely no evidence. Even a newspaper would be expected to give evidence for such a claim.
 * 2. This is a summary PLAUT's attack on Gordon, which is why it should be included, along with Gordon's rebuttal (or the court's rebuttal).
 * 3. Quoting the judge's official verdict can hardly violate WP:BLP!!!
 * 4. The Gordon quotes defended himself against Dershowitz - his dispute with Plaut is not mentioned in those particular comments. So those quotes should be in the entries on Gordon or Dershowitz, not Plaut.
 * Truthprofessor 14:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Gordon's article has to do mostly with Dershowitz's version of the verdict against Plaut. Hence, it is clearly relevant to the Plaut entry. Check this out: "DERSHOWITZ'S inability to refute the evidence led to his vicious personal attack against me. However, Dershowitz also makes a political claim when he contends that my successful suit against Prof. Steven Plaut was, in effect, an attempt to undermine freedom of speech. Again he distorts the truth to suit his own purpose.

I filed a libel suit against Plaut when he began publishing a series of slanderous articles in which he calls me a "fanatic anti-Semite," "a Judenrat wannabe," "a promoter of Hitler," and "a groupie of the world's leading Holocaust denier." He went on to compare me to the notorious Holocaust denier David Irving.

In various places he claimed that I have called on Arabs to use violence against Israel; he published an article on the racist Kahane Web site, asking his readers to harass me - some obediently complied; he also disseminated the falsehood that my academic ability is poor, and even initiated an international campaign to have me fired.

Make no mistake, my suit against Plaut is about slander and not about our opposing political views.

YES, I AM a severe critic of the Israeli government's policies, but just as I want my opinions to be heard, I believe in freedom of expression and am not interested in censoring other people's opinions, including those of Dershowitz or Plaut. If anyone disagrees with my views, he or she has the right to try and refute my position. Notice, that throughout his article Dershowitz does not engage my political arguments. Instead, he picks up the cudgels of defamation and vilification.

In fact, both Plaut and Dershowitz are the ones who aim to silence their political rivals. In order to accomplish their goals they exploit the Holocaust, thus undermining the significance of this uniquely catastrophic historical event.

Their attack against me illustrates this point. Despite the fact that most of Plaut's criticism is related to my positions vis- -vis the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, he characterizes me as an anti-Semite, Judenrat wannabe, and promoter of Hitler. The use of Holocaust vocabulary is intentional and emotive, designed to destroy my credibility in the political arena. The sad irony is that in order to advance his political goals Plaut ends up trivializing the Holocaust.

Despite the ruthless efforts to ruin my good name, the Israeli court has had its say. It found Plaut guilty of libel. Now, in the aftermath of this case, allowing his personal vendetta to blur his legal judgment, Dershowitz shamelessly attacks the judge's verdict. This lack of judgment is apparent when the Harvard professor calls me names and concludes with a cheap dare that I sue him, instead of rising to the academic challenge of proving that he did not "lift" information from others.

Unlike Dershowitz, however, when choosing between truth or dare I always side with truth."190.64.211.100 20:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

editprotected
I find this article mostly highly favorable to Steven Plaut, a notorious figure among many who promote the concept of Israeli-Palestinian peace. I request that you add under "Political Views" the following true anecdote which is documented on my weblog. I have the e mail received from Steven Plaut and quoted below:

Among the Israeli academics Plaut has targeted were Tanya Reinhart, a linguistics professor at NYU and student of Noam Chomsky. After she died in 2007, Plaut circulated to members of the Alef academic list, a parody of a song from the Wizard of Oz vilifying her memory.

Richard 08:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)richards1052Richard 08:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Although I agree that we should mention Plaut's vile incitement against Tanya Reinhart, I don't want to see the content itself appear in Wikipedia. So I'm sorry Richards, I have edited your contribution above.


 * After Tanya died, various editors -- sockpuppets of the Runtshit vandal -- posted this on the article about her. Soon afterwards, when another Israeli dissident, Shimon Tzabar, died, a variant was posted on the article about him. All of these were removed, and I don't think that we should allow the libellers to include this material "through the back door". RolandR 08:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see any problem with the parody. I don't see evidence that he wrote it though. But to the point, claiming that this person, Reinhart, who is now dead and it's not WP:BLP, was in fact a witch, seems a legitimate parody. In Plaut's opinion, the damage that this "witch" has done to the Jewish people, is extensive, and he has a right to express that opinion in the song, in the parody. Amoruso (talk) 02:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with your edit. I tend to believe that Plaut's handiwork should be seen & read as widely as possible so ordinary folks know & understand what he is capable of.  But this is Wikipedia & not a blog.  So I'm fine with what you've done.

Richard 06:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Editprotected As per above, request to add at end of second paragraph in "Political views" the following:

Among the Israeli academics he has targeted is Tanya Reinhart, a linguistics professor at NYU and student of Noam Chomsky. After she died in 2007, Plaut circulated to members of the Alef (Israel Academic Left) mailing list a parody of a song from the Wizard of Oz vilifying her memory. On the same day, a variation of this parody was added to the Wikipedia article on Shimon Tzabar. RolandR 22:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I unprotected the article, so everyone can edit it again. Please note the neutral point of view and biography policies, which everyone should take care to follow.  This article has been protected several times for edit warring, but there seems to be a trend towards giving more user blocks rather than continually protecting pages. Based on the comments above, I think it would be reasonable to discuss this change some more before editing the article. CMummert · talk 14:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Has this entry been re-protected by Zero0000 or not? Since then, RolandR has yet again rv'ed the entry while refusing to discuss his reasons on this page. Truthprofessor 15:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Why has this benn taken off? "In an article in Tikkun magazine, Israeli political geographer David Newman alleges that "Writing under assumed names, Plaut has a long history of attacking, labeling, and targeting left-wing scholars in Israel. One anonymous article appeared under the name of Socrates in the MiddleEast Review of 2001". Newman went on to argue that right-wing "forces of McCarthyism are at work in their attempt to silence alternative opinions" within the Israeli academia." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.243.233.226 (talk) 08:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Category
The article page is protected. Someone should add Category:Kidney cancer survivors. --Jetman 16:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Can someone figure out a way to re-establish a major resource - a reliable archive of Steven Plaut's articles. His BLOGSPOT is bogus / hacked. User:101.101.101.101 R.Srchr 11:42, 8 July 2007 (UTC) —The preceding falsely signed comment was really added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * The above User ID is forged. There is no such user as 101.101.101.101, and the edit was atually made by anon User:4.236.177.101. And the blog and archives linked from the article appear to be the genuine ultra-right wing Plaut material. What is this all about? RolandR 07:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

OR
This sentence seems to be pure WP:OR, as it does not seems to refer in particular to Plaut's judicial matters, but to Gordon: "While Plaut never claimed Gordon himself was a Holocaust Denier, merely a fan of Holocaust Deniers, a few other writers and newspapers have claimed that Gordon himself is indeed a Holocaust Denier, such as the Jewish Voice and Opinion11." It should be removed. Tazmaniacs 00:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Spelling of name "Reem Naddaf"
The judge who presided over the case has her first name transliterated in Latin letters as "Reem", not "Rim". The spelling should be changed when the article becomes unprotected. Her offical bio from the State of Israel's Judicial Authority, in Hebrew with her name in English can be found here:

http://elyon1.court.gov.il/heb/cv/fe_html_out/judges/k_hayim/69520691.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.173.163 (talk) 20:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)