Talk:Steven Wilson/Archive 1

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Was he really a computer programmer?

Yes. --Bookmastaflex 18:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No. I'm not certain enough to add it to the encyclopedia entry, but my understanding is that he was a hardware engineer, not software. Ministry 15:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I find it odd that he is under the category of "Hammered Dulcimer Players" when the article mentions nothing of this. I think we should remove this from the page. Faerielinds 16:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

That photograph is terrible.

I recently found this article. Check out the "Hollywood romance" part. Maybe something from that should be included in this article... --Molnart 17:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The new photograph
The new pic is terrible. It does NOT represent what Steven Wilson looks like at all. I will be searching for a legally obtainable pic that better represents him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PearlTheater (talk • contribs) 14:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Keyboard Player?
Recently came across this video, claiming that Wilson was the band's keyboard player. And damn, it looks like him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JR3Gjhx970 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.181.194.32 (talk • contribs)

Steven Wilson is the lead vocalist and guitarist for the band, who occasionally will play keyboard. Barbieri still is responsible for the heavy layering and more complex keyboard work. Kerrow 00:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Uh...I know that. Did you even watch the video?-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.181.194.32 (talk • contribs)


 * No, my bad, thought this was just some other erroneous comment about PT. I saw them in concert recently, and SW did play keyboard on a few songs. I just thought you had a video of that. No clue if it is or isn't, no way to prove or disprove it either. Kerrow 20:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

On the back of Stupid Dream (the closest PT album to me that I can reach without having to stand up) credits Wilson with Vocals, Guitars, Piano and Samples, and credits Barbieri with Analogue Synthesizers, Hammond Organ and Mellotron. CDowns 11:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I recently watched the video, I have to confess I didn't know about his contribution in such band. If you find more information about it, please, submit it to the Project's talk page and it will be considered for inclusion in the article. Synesthetize (talk) 14:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That's definitely SW on keyboards. The band, Blazing Apostles, used to be called Pride of Passion and SW is on record as having played keys with PoP. Not just that, but the guitarist in this video (Nigel Childs) played lead guitar on one of the first ever No-Man songs ('Faith's Last Doubt') - Dann Chinn (talk) 07:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Coverage of projects
I think that it would be a good idea to trim down some of the sections on solo projects - in particular the one on Porcupine Tree. A lot of the content of those sections could be transferred to other Wiki entries such as the individual Porcupine Tree entry, if this has not been done already. I have no problems with the content of the Porcupine Tree section, but feel that its size distracts from the fact that this article should be focussed more on Steven Wilson as an individual. (Having just added a Breakthrough Releases section, I've tried to write it in the context of SW's career development). -  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dann Chinn (talk • contribs) 12:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Recording Equipment section
Is this section up-to-date? And if so what is the source? I somehow think that Steve would have advanced beyond a Power Mac by now. Capillarian87 (talk) 19:28, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Associated Acts
Should playing guitar on three tracks ten years ago qualify Steven Wilson as an "associated act" with Fish? Same goes for Marillion. Wilson produced five tracks more than a decade ago. IAmAgentMunky (talk) 18:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * SW produced one entire Fish album (Sunsets on Empire) and played guitar on most of the tracks on the next one (Raingods with Zippos). As for Marillion, he's worked on at least two of their albums and has been vocally enthusiastic about them for a long time. I think they count as "associated acts". - Dann Chinn (talk) 22:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Work with other bands
There really needs to be a section on Wilson's involvement with remasters and remixes of bands like King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Caravan - including some mention of how he got involved with them in the first place. Lee M (talk) 14:28, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Updated Picture
I updated SW's profile picture since it seemed that many people (me included!) were unhappy with the previous pic, although I'm a bit concerned about the (lack of) clarity on his face. Opinions? - Alexandre Candalaft (talk) 01:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Not the best photography on Wikipedia, for sure. However, maybe it is the best available at this point ?


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:14, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed, not great. I've restored the image prior to AC's change, it more clearly shows him. Sergecross73   msg me   19:22, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

To-do list
Working on the merger of contents "Collaborations" and "Biography". - Alexandre Candalaft (talk) 01:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Good. A reduction in the opinionated text at the same time might be even better.  For one example, there are presently three mentions to 'critically acclaimed' [or variant(s) thereof] which has no supporting reference(s).


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:19, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Article Picture
I sincerely think that we should change the current picture of Steven Wilson. There are so many other, more stunning and succinct pictures out there on the Internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.10.8.161 (talk) 21:28, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * By all means, go for it, there's nothing great about this one other than it complies with Wikipedia's complicated image policy. Sergecross73   msg me   23:34, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * This is the same person as before, but I have little experience editing, and there are very strict rules concerning copyright. There are many excellent pictures of him on the Internet, but I don't feel like I have the ability to replace the image without putting my reputation in jeopardy. Immablowup   —Preceding undated comment added 00:27, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Nothing on his work with remastering and stuff? 5.1 mixing for Yes?
Steven Wilson is credited as mastering and re-mixing a couple of SACD's and DVD-A's from the original tapes for a couple of reissues (such as the recent 2013 mix of Yes album Close to the edge Can we add more about his production work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Count of Tuscany (talk • contribs) 10:28, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Too many genres!
I know that SW is a prolific artist but 17 genres? "Krautrock", "post-punk", "progressive death-metal", "industrial", really? Maybe we should just write "various" instead of writing every genre possible in there.

IMO we should only put there only what he is recognised for the most - "progressive rock/metal", "psychedelic rock" and "alternative rock" for his work with Porcupine Tree, I.E.M. and solo career, "dark ambient" for Bass Communion, "art rock" for No-Man and Blackfield. And maybe "experimental rock" for his overall work. This is 6 genres, keeps it clear while stays informative.

And even if you don't agree with this particular set of genres you have to admit that 17 genres is way too many. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.24.87.132 (talk) 12:08, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Please sign your talk page messages with four tildes ( ~ ). Thanks.
 * I fully agree. Feel free to make the change, and don't forget to mention "(see talk page)" in your edit summary. - DVdm (talk) 12:36, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok, so it's 7 genres now (I forgot that progressive rock and metal are actually 2 genres). One could also argue that art, experimental and alternative rock are somewhat similiar and throw out one or two of them but I'm not really sure so I'll leave it as it is. Plus I'm not so familiar with Bass Communion so I decided to keep "ambient" instead of narrowing it to "dark ambient". 83.24.87.132 (talk) 14:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Good job! - DVdm (talk) 14:34, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

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Why no equipment section?
I think people would be fascinated to know about the PRS Guitars, amps & effects that he uses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmoledMan (talk • contribs) 07:15, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * If you have reliable sources relating to the equipment he uses, then by all means add a section. Karst (talk) 08:59, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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Private life
He actually talks about his private life from time to time, e.g. in this interview: http://musicplayers.com/features/bands_general/2013/0313_StevenWilson.php

''SW: Yeah. That is a tough thing, but you could say the same thing about stereo, as well. I mean, I've got a girlfriend who lives in Tel Aviv and I go around there sometimes and I see she's got a stereo and she's got the two speakers on top of each other in the corner. I say, "Why the hell…?" She said, "It looks better. It clutters up the room." I said, "But you're listening to it in mono, basically."''

So in 2013 he had (and maybe still has?) a girlfriend in Tel Aviv. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.173.212.64 (talk) 22:07, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Consequently, he is private about his personal relationships, or his sexual orientation
 * By chance, I came across an interview years ago where he casually mentioned something like this. Being private seems dubious but can't verify the given print source. At worst case, saying he is private about his sexual orientation is harmful with all this claim's implications; better to remove it per WP:BLP and keep it here for future reference. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 04:22, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Assessment
Here is an informal review after I briefly went through the article to address the Fanpov tag. 1.2	Early bands 1.3	Breakthrough work 1.4	Diversification 1.5	Collaborations 2	Musical projects 2.1	Porcupine Tree 2.2	No-Man 2.3	I.E.M. 2.4	Bass Communion 2.5	Blackfield 2.6	Storm Corrosion 3	Solo career 3.1	Cover versions 3.2	Insurgentes 3.3	Grace for Drowning 3.4	The Raven That Refused to Sing 3.5	Hand. Cannot. Erase. 3.6	To The Bone) Ugog Nizdast (talk) 04:13, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Avoid subjective and trivial details interesting only for a minor audience, we cater to the general reader. Also flowery language stated as a fact, some examples: one, two
 * This current structure is repetitive.
 * (1	Biography 1.1	Early years
 * The Biography section goes through it chronologically (that's good) while the remaining two repeat them (though in more detail). Merge them and rearrange keeping that chronological order.
 * Lot of unsourced challengeable statements and even entire paras.

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