Talk:Stevie Vann

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I was looking for her entry in Wikipedia and only found a reference to a deleted page for "Stevie Vann" and I want to discuss creating a page which doesn't get deleted.

The woman singer "Stevie Vann" is discussed in this source Last Fm - Stevie Vann.

In what appears to be her "official" website, she is named as "Stevie Vann Lange".

She speaks about her singing career in this video - Stevie Lange, Tell us your story!

I know her singing from the TV advert jingles she sung in the 1980s / 90s. One advert jingle in particular, the "Whoah ... Bodyform" is so famous that people of my generation have it hard-wired into our brains and is almost part of British culture. The jingle has recently been mentioned in a viral video on YouTube with more than 3,000,000 views - Bodyform - the Truth.

Anyway, does Wikipedia want to stay in denial about this singer with her ultra-famous voice? I trust not.

As an aside, the instructions given on the talk page for the deleted page (on a red background) attempting to explain whether or not to proceed to talk about a deleted page didn't make much sense to me. What did the deleted page contain? I presume my content above must be different from the deleted page. I have given sources certainly and the reasons given for deletion seem to be that no sources were given so I am reasonably sure my content must be different from the deleted page. But how can anyone, however different their comments, be 100% sure that their comment is different if the page has been deleted? The instructions in red read somewhat like a catch-22 rule to prevent anyone reviving a deleted page that someone from the Wikipedia High Command has deleted.

Anyway, I thought Wikipedia ought to have a page for this singer and I am surprised there isn't and think it is about time someone authored a page though I am not sure that I am the best person to write it but I will if no-one else does and that's OK with the editors. Peter Dow (talk) 05:20, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * This request was moved to User talk:Philosopher and has been ✅. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 20:59, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to Philosopher for restoring my post to this Talk page and presumably to him too for allowing me and others to read the subject page for the first time.

I note that the subject page has a revision history dating back to 2005 and also that it is currently flagged for "Speedy deletion" due to a possible copyright violation. I haven't researched this but isn't it more likely that the other sites linked to have copied from Wikipedia rather than the other way around?

Also, if there is a copyright issue, why not simply remove the offending copied text yet still leave the subject and talk pages? She is still a notable singer worthy of an entry in Wikipedia even if there is a copyright issue with some of the text. Deleting the subject and talk pages is an over-reaction in my opinion which wrongly equates possible copyright violation or other issues with sources etc. to suddenly "not being notable". The fact that Stevie Vann Lange's music career is listed on other sites is further proof of the need for a page on Wikipedia of some kind, not criterion for deletion.

This entry should be kept in some form. After all, one of these days, a Trivial Pursuit question will ask - "Who first sang the Whoah ... Body-form, Bodyform for you!" jingle and Wikipedia ought to have the answer listed. It's a milestone in the science of advertising. Didn't you notice the parachuting Queen stunt at the London Olympics? Where do you think they got that idea from?

This is precious British culture passing into history and it's not right to write us Britons out of the history books.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zebXDyYuYK0&list=PLE2l6toyQOoaMJtyOC6iZChmqtGUCE5kI&feature=plpp_play_all Bodyform woman parachuting advert. WHOAH Body-form, Bodyform for you!!! (YouTube)] Peter Dow (talk) 23:19, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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I removed the copyvio speedy deletion tag. The first source mentioned, here, has "copyright 2007" on it, but the history shows information there since 2006, indicating that they likely infringed our content. The second, here, is dual-licensed under the same licenses Wikipedia is (and is also a wiki). If we copied from them, we need to attribute it, but that's all; deletion isn't necessary. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 23:32, 30 October 2012 (UTC)