Talk:Stigma (sociological theory)

Merge proposal
I think the article Social stigma should be merged with this one. --Antonielly 19:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me, I'll add merge tags. delldot   talk  09:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Agree

 * Agree - I believe both articles are referring to the same subject, thus should be one article Doctoroxenbriery (talk) 04:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree I say merge --- Social stigma has little to add to the subject which cannot be included here, and this is the better of the two articles. --Anonymaus (talk) 10:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree - merge. -- Jtneill - Talk 11:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree - merge, Social stigma is a breif article that could merely be a section inside Stigma (Sociological Theory) - Colt .55

Yes, I'd agree. The article on 'Social Stigma' contributes additional clarification to the reasons for stigma than is featured on 'Social Stigma (sociaological theory'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.107.206.50 (talk) 12:49, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I would agree. This subject is also related to racism, stereotyping, colonialism, and deviance, which share the same social mechanisms, and which many authors have connected, including Sartre and Fanon. One thing left out of the page is the relationship between stigma and the stigmatizing act, which may be a law or an act of domination. The discriminatory action causes the stigma and not the other way around. Practitioners of slavery, for instance, used stigma to protect their self image. It gives them a rationale: "We treat these people so badly, there must be something wrong with them." Acts of discrimination cause the stigma, the laws against homosexuality for instance, and not the other way around. There have been shelves of books and reports on the way that colonialism alters the perception of the colonized by the colonizers. This is all stigma. See Barry Adam. The Survival of Domination: Inferiorization and Everyday Life. Bdubay (talk) 10:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Disagree

 * Disagree - It shouldn't be merged, it can be included in social stigma as a shortened section but it should be said Goffman's way of describing and explaining stigma is one of the theoretical expressions of this notion and shouldn't be confused with others, hence it should stay in a seperate article. 129.242.226.91 (talk) 19:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Disagree - It shouldn't be merged, because it would be hard for many people to find it if it's merged. All I was looking for was "social stigma" and found it easily because it's in its own section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmclaug (talk • contribs) 12:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I see you are a novice in Wikipedia. Don't worry about that; after merging both articles, any wikilink to Social stigma would automatically redirect to the contents merged into the Stigma (sociological theory) article. To see an example how redirection works, click on the following wikilink: Interlingue, and see the real title of the article. --Antonielly (talk) 14:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

don't be mean :'( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmclaug (talk • contribs) 18:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Current research
This topic in sociological theory is missing discussion of the wide range of research that uses social stigma as a central concept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.235.210.196 (talk) 21:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Good progress on current research section
Overview statements and discussion of particular research are coming along. --Htw3 19:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC) Ur opinion is offensive, certainly if stigma and health is not covered [even if it's just to say: good health is not stigmatized]. WHO IS STRONGER TEH CRIPPLE OR TEH MENTAL!1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.54.54 (talk) 18:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * However, I feel like there must be current research on stigma as it relates to sexual identity, to criminal and felon status. Another improvement would be to be more clear about distinctions between disabilities, and types of diseases, and on the other hand, mental illness.
 * I will look for some examples. Yep, there are many.  Try these google scholar search terms:
 * stigma felon
 * stigma disability
 * stigma aids
 * stigma sexuality
 * stigma amputee
 * stigma mental illness

I still don't like the intro
The initial discussion of stigma should not be a goffman love fest. it should be about the concept. discussion of goffman and his role in the development of the theory should come in a section on the development of the theoretical construct. --Htw3 19:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

what is the deal with the sensationalistic headings?
I suspect these are left over from early drafts, but jazz like this "Who are the Stigmatized / Who are the Stigmatizers??? Everyone" is not in the least bit consistent with an encyclopedic entry.--Htw3 19:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it could do with some re-writing and cleaning up --Anonymaus (talk) 10:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Goffman is totally misrepresented here
Aside from what I have just added, Goffman's conception of stigma is not represented here at all. Goffman writes of a social practice which occurs within any group--the way the group will treat others who are not normal according to that group's expectation of normality. The article takes the view that certain attributes are stigmas, and others are not, absolutely, and moreover that certain individuals are "stigmatizers" as if there is something to be said about the act of "stigmatizing"; Goffman defines stigma in a way totally incompatible with this conception, and speaks of the many types of reactions that normals have to the stigmatized. If the former is to be the conception of stigma presented in the article, Goffman's work should be separated from it. —Jemmytc 17:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

PS. In correcting the representation of Goffman, I have probably given the article a somewhat incoherent character. That is why such separation needs to be done--but I'm not going to do it now, it's too much work. —Jemmytc —Preceding comment was added at 17:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Why?

Why not just turn in to a real encyclopedia, or only let significant figuers enter information.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.198.95 (talk) 07:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Current Research Directions of Stigma
I think this section needs to be thoroughly rewritten. I've made a start at it, but some of the language is impenetrable to me, so I felt that I had to leave untouched some of it in case I was missing whatever points were trying to be made, as I'm not a sociologist... Kay Dekker (talk) 21:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

POV
So stigma is ALWAYS a bad thing that needs to be eliminated? Even if it's against a behavior that's harmful or costly to society? DanBishop (talk) 06:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

stigma. shame. narcissism. the victim-hero.
How are stigma and shame and narcissism and the victim-hero related?... How are stigma and shame and narcissism and the victim-hero differentiated?... References Andrew Morrison http://books.google.com/books?id=6-YLM7XaJBEC&pg=PP1&dq=shame+morrison&ei=myxDSrryBpLqygS0ju1h http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/20133189 http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22victim-hero%22 Daniel Reeders (2009) Solutions to Stigma -- HIV Australia (advance copy).pdf, 209 KB http://gaymenshealth.ning.com/profile/DanielReeders -- the zak (talk) 18:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)