Talk:Stonegate Pub Company

Is this a British pub company?
Looking on the Private Eye map of offshore ownership for properties in my neighbourhood, I noticed that a proprietor is given as Stonegate Pub Company Ltd, registered in the Cayman Islands. I appreciate that this will in turn be owned by some other part of a corporate structure, which in this case seems to be headed, currently, by a Private Equity group TDR Capital - but it's not clear where that is registered.

This is probably something to be talked about elsewhere, so happy for guidance, but should Wikipedia articles not attempt to flag up where companies, for some reason or other, might not legally be British - or of any other apparent national identity?

Silverdale (talk) 10:52, 14 February 2016 (UTC)


 * It's meaningless to say "...the company is registered in the Cayman Islands" when the words "the company" refer back to "Stonegate Pub Company" - there is no such corporate entity as "Stonegate Pub Company". The author of the cited Guardian article either didn't bother to check, or chose to ignore, the facts publicly available on the Companies House website. The various UK incorporated companies that operate the UK pub businesses are direct or indirect subsidiaries of Stonegate Pub Company Limited, which company is indeed incorporated in the Cayman Islands.  But it's disingenuous to focus on the jurisdiction of Stonegate Pub Company Limited since (1) it has a UK business establishemnt, it's directors are UK residents, it produces UK accounts; and (2) it's immediate parent is Stonegate Pub Company Pikco Limited, a wholly owned subsidiary of Stonegate Pub Company Pikco Holdings Limited.  Both Stonegate Pub Company Pikco Limited and Stonegate Pub Company Pikco Holdings Limited are incorporated in the UK and registered in England & Wales. Their ultimate parent undertaking is Stonegate Pub Company Topco Sarl which is incorporated in Luxembourg (not the Cayman Islands). Furthermore, Stonegate Pub Company Topco Sarl is not owned by TDR Capital LLP.  Rather Stonegate Pub Company Topco Sarl is controlled by TDR Capital Stonegate LP (a limited partnership registered in England & Wales) which is an investment fund managed by TDR Capital LLP (a limited liability partnership registered in England & Wales). 146.200.29.183 (talk) 12:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Problematic edits
An IP editor has been repeatedly inserting the same material - some of which is text copied directly from Reuters, and thus a WP:COPYVIO concern, and the other being material citing The Sun, which per WP:THESUN has been judged as a generally unreliable source. The material should not be reinserted in that form. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Public relations employees
Recent edits often come from a username that suggests that the editor is working for a public relations firm. These edits have generally not been accompanied by explanations for the edits, and are at times reinserted after having been reverted by other editors. Folks who have been making these edits (or others who are about to, coming from a similar position) should read up on how we require paid editors to identify themselves, our guidelines to editing with a conflict of interest, and the Bold/Revert/Discuss cycle that is standard for editing here. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:32, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Updates to company history,
WP:PAID Disclosure, I work for Leisure PR and Communications. Stonegate Pub Company is my client.

Is it possible to update the company history of Stonegate Pub Company? There is some information missing.

The company was formed in 2010 by private equity firm TDR Capital after it purchased 333 pubs from Mitchells & Butlers in £373m deal.[4] Originally trading from rented offices near Birmingham airport it then moved its operations office to Capability Green in Luton in June 2011 when Stonegate merged with Town & City Pub Company, creating the largest privately held managed pub operator in the UK and acquiring the Yates's and Slug and Lettuce brands in the process.[5]

In August 2013, Stonegate acquired 13 Living Room sites from Premium Bars & Restaurants. In June 2015, a further 15 sites were acquired from Scottish pub, bar and hotel operator, Maclay Inns, and later that same year Stonegate acquired 53 pubs from Tattershall Castle Group (TCG) including the Henry's Café Bar and Tattershall Castle brands.

In January 2016 the company began a programme to update the former TCG estate pubs and re-brand many of the venues to Slug & Lettuce to further expand the brand. Later that year, Stonegate exchanged on a package of 10 JD Wetherspoon pubs and acquired Walkabout owner Intertain, adding a further 30 sites to its portfolio.

Further acquisitions took place in In 2017 and 18 with the company acquiring the Sports Bar & Grill concept (2017), Be At One, and 15 Novus Leisure sites (2018).

In January 2019, Stonegate acquired Bar Fever Ltd (Fever Bars) – 32 venues comprising 29 bars, including Fever Boutique, Zinc and Moo Moo, as well as three Bierkellar Bavarian pubs and a further six sites from Novus Leisure.

Following the acquisition of Ei Group on 3rd March 2020 for £1.27bn, Stonegate Pub Company became the largest pub company in the UK. Its portfolio is comprised of 1270 sites within the managed division and 3457 leased and tenanted businesses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JRS7.2 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That material is all in the article. It has not been removed since you placed it there, although it has been edited somewhat. --Nat Gertler (talk) 19:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Trans concerns
I deleted a chunk of text that was added sometime in the past month that said that Stonegate, in regard to some lesbian-centered event that wished to exclude trans women, had "agreed" to "support" "safe spaces" or somesuch. It was sourced to two articles. One was a Telegraph article that did not state those things in the article voice (indeed, the article was quite vague on what Stonegate had actually done), but did quote a tweet from an LGB Alliance member making such claims about them. The LGB Alliance, an anti-trans group, is not a reliable source. The other source used was an opinion piece from the Spectator, which not only has the problem that it was an opinion piece, but also that it didn't even mention Stonegate. Barring better sourcing that actually says something, this material should not be in the article. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)