Talk:Stop!! Hibari-kun!

Hibari's Gender/Pronouns
After watching the anime and reading the manga, it is quite clear that regardless of her biology, Hibari thinks of herself as a girl. She lives as a girl, as the original version of this article stated, and does so because that is her actual character. The jokes in the series subversively mock the attitudes of others. Hibari herself is never a joke, and she is arguably the most self-assured and well defined character in the series. Calling Hibari male is accurate (male-bodied would be better, but male is probably fine), but calling her a "boy" or a "man" is not accurate. If it was, the comedic genesis of the series could not operate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.6.28.252 (talk) 16:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Hibari is not a "trans-woman". He refers to himself as a male, uses male pronouns, and acknowledges his male-specific responsibilities imposed on him by his father throughout the entire story. He is a male that looks like a female, is often mistaken for a female, and enjoys this appearance. He does not identify as a woman. 108.214.201.1 (talk) 04:17, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Citation needed. Hibari uses "boku" but so does Nitori in Hourou Musuko. I know plenty of people here in Japan across the gender spectrum that use a variety of pronouns regardless of actual gender identity and/or sex. I've seen no evidence in either the manga nor the anime that Hibari would accept the designation "boy" or "man." Japanese is slightly more complicated by the fact that 男 can mean male or man, although perhaps we can argue that 男性 specifically means male sex. There's not the split between gender and sex, so just because Hibari recognises the legal and biological aspects of being male doesn't mean Hibari's gender is "boy" or "man." Hibari may well accept that there are male-specific responsibilities because of the nature of the 組, but once again, that does not mean that Hibari's gender is "boy" or "man." Hibari's obvious physical dysphoria (over lack of breasts as one example, I can cite anime epsiode and/or manga page if necessary) demonstrates that saying Hibari doesn't identify as a girl is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.254.219.1 (talk) 00:16, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * In the end it does not matter what gender Hibari identifies as. Gender pronouns are to be applied as to what gender one is, not what one prefers to be referred to as. Hibari is a male, thus he should be referred to by male pronouns in the article.Thronedrei (talk) 17:13, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Incorrect, actually. MOS:GENDERID states that Wikipedia articles should "reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification." (Though I'm not sure how relevant that is to describing fictional characters. The archives of the relevant talk page has one editor suggest for fictional characters "The easiest way round any problem would be to not use a pronoun and simply refer to them by their proper name".)-- User:Brainy J ✿ (talk) 02:38, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Regardless of whether or not pronouns are used (I do believe opting out of using any does a disservice to readers across a great many articles, and that MOS:GENDERID should re-address pronoun usage in cases with clear and consistent behavior on the part of the individual) Hibari consistently presents, acts, and lives as a girl. Omitting information about this behavior, or worse, attributing the character only as a "crossdressing male" leaves the article feeling rather bare-boned at best, or actively disingenuous at worst.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AKA-Syenite (talk • contribs) 12:44, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The MOS:GENDERID as counter productive as it is to actually providing people with information and not confusing them, was created to address the concerns of people that had concerns about being addressed with what they felt were incorrect pronouns. However since characters are not people, they have no concerns or agency. AS such the MOS:GENDERID need not be applied to them. To begin with the whole MOS:GENDERID should be scrapped since a simple mention as to what a person identifies as would suffice, but that probably isn't a discussion to be had in this thread.--Thronedrei (talk) 05:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * seconded. the current solution of avoiding all mention of gender is inelegant--it's the series' central premise! there's adequate basis within the story to assume feminine pronouns. Plifal (talk) 19:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd just like to add onto this by pointing out that the author has actually answered the question of transitioning by stating that "his gender is a man", as shown in the comments of this Instagram post, (look for "Is Hibari-chan ever doing a full transition??")
 * Given that, I think this article should at the very least be neutral rather than stating that Hibari is definitively transgender. 148.252.133.113 (talk) 00:31, 21 July 2023 (UTC)