Talk:Stop Handgun Violence

Discussion: Neutrality Check

 * Please comment on the article's neutralityMinor4th (talk) 19:34, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Article does not present both sides of the case, and key claims of fact (i.e., 50% reduction) are from self-published sources, which are neither verifiable nor reliable. (GregJackP (talk) 21:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
 * Both the claim of not wanting to ban guns and the claim of Rosenthal supporting the Second Amendment are dubious. Rosenthal served on the board of Handgun Control, Inc. There have been claims of misleading information and stats published by Stop Handgun Violence and Rosenthal, see Mass. News, here and Richmond Times, here.  (GregJackP (talk) 22:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
 * This is one of my first articles for Wikipedia, so I appreciate the input. I will go over this article and its sources and make edits as suggested above. In particular, I will remove references to sources authored by SHV. I will submit a new draft by 4/29.
 * OK, I have done the following: (1) removed statistics that might be questioned, including any statistic that refers to a source authored by SHV, (2) removed the claims that SHV does not seek to ban guns and that Rosenthal is a supporter of the Second Amendment, (3) added a note that critics charge that SHV makes selective use of statistics to support its cause, with a reference to the Massachusetts News article. Please comment. Meanwhile, I'm confused by a separate objection that other articles to not link to this article. How can other articles link to an article that doesn't exist yet? Or do I misunderstand the comment? Thank you.
 * It is not an objection that other articles don't link to this one.  What that means is that you can improve the article by "wikifying" it -- if there are terms or concepts in your article that are already the topic of another article you can place double brackets around the terms and it will create a link to the other wiki article.   Thanks for working on the article.   I have not had a chance to review your recent changes yet but will do so.  Minor4th (talk) 01:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I see. OK, I will do that today (4/27). THANKS.
 * Wiki links now exist for the following terms: non-profit organization, firearm, Michael Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, American Hunters and Shooters Organization, gun show, gun violence, assault weapon, Modernista!, trigger lock, and National Rifle Association. Does anyone else see any other opportunities for a link?
 * Does everyone agree that the article has been edited sufficiently to address the concerns about neutrality that were raised? Also, does the article now contain enough internal links? If so, can we remove the notes at the top of the article? Also, does anyone else have any ideas about how to make this article better? I appreciate the help. THANKS VERY MUCH - WaldoStanton, 4/29/10.
 * I've added self-published tags to several items, and a counter-point to the claim of gun control = less fatalities/crime. It's still not balanced, IMO. GregJackP (talk) 22:37, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment -I removed the tag.   Please address the self-published tags.   Also, please remember to sign your comments on talk pages by inserting ~ at the end of your comment.  Thanks for continuing to work on the article.  The neutrality is not quite there yet in my opinion, but getting better.  Minor4th (talk) 23:01, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed all sentences that refer to a self-published source. The only exception is in the Controversy section, where SHV makes a counterclaim to a charge from critics. It seems appropriate that we would refer to an SHV statement in this case, since the statement represents their side in the controversy. I'm open to discussion of this of course. PS, I still haven't figured tildes out, but I'm signing this WaldoStanton 5/3. THANKS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WaldoStanton (talk • contribs) 16:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Is everyone satisfied with the neutrality of this article? I believe I've addressed all the concerns listed above. (Please see my previous notes.) If not, please let me know. THANKS - Waldo Stanton, 5/11/10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by WaldoStanton (talk • contribs) 14:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * To make the article more internally consistent, I added Wiki links to state names: Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, and California. Waldo Stanton, 5/12/10. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WaldoStanton (talk • contribs) 15:14, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Removed POV tags. GregJackP (talk) 16:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed typo in Controversy section. Law was passed in 1998, not 1994. WaldoStanton, 5/18/10. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.116.202.130 (talk) 14:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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Footnote fraud
One critic of Stop Handgun Violence says that the District of Columbia, which has effectively had a gun ban since 1976, has the highest firearm fatality rate in the nation and that crime has soared unchecked.<ref "Effectiveness of D.C. Gun Ban Still a Mystery," by Paul Duggan, in the Boston Globe (via Washington Post), November 18, 2007. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/11/18/effectiveness_of_dc_gun_ban_still_a_mystery/</ref

Who writes this crap? The article doesn't mention this group once. It's just a generic complaint about gun control. There ain't any reason for having it here, 'cept to pile on negative s***. Felsic (talk) 15:59, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Eric Darbe
Who's Eric Darbe and why are we quoting his opinion? What's "Massnews"? This stuff looks crappy. Felsic2 (talk) 05:07, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

"MassNews" was a project of J. Edward Pawlick, who seems like a pretty extreme right-winger. Felsic2 (talk) 05:19, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I swapped in Randy Barnett, from the same source. Felsic2 (talk) 04:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)