Talk:Stormtrooper (Star Wars)/Archive 1

Simplify
I believe that any discussion of origins or such should be tamped down as much as possible on the page, which should seek to define what a Stormtrooper is in the most basic definition. There will never be a definitive answer to the classic geek argument as to whether or not stormtroopers are clones or not because Lucas takes little if any care to make sure he sticks to one story or another and always contradicts himself. In addition, he allows all the EU authors to mess with his canon to one degree or another.

In the end, is it really important? Stormtroopers are stormtroopers. Where they come from is rather irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.140.235.81 (talk) 18:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Capitalized?
Shouldn't this page be at Imperial stormtrooper, and the instances of "Stormtrooper" changed to "stormtrooper"? Stormtrooper is not a proper noun, and it is never capitalized in any of the Star Wars novels. – Mipadi 13:26, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Ive noticed that every "sub group" of Storm Troopers is an "Elite" section.. doesnt the empire have any normal soldiers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.167.230 (talk) 09:51, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge with Clone troopers
I do agree with the motion to change "Stormtrooper" to "stormtrooper", as it refers to a general class of troops, not a specific troop (as "Dark Trooper"). However, I do not agree that the two articles (Imperial stormtrooper and clone troopers) should be merged. Stormtroopers were the infantry of the Galactic Empire (hence the name Imperial stortrooper), whereas the clone troopers were of Republic origin. I have always seen the two as distinct troops, as different as the U.S. Navy Seals are from the British SAS. Also, while the clone troopers were made up entirely of clones of Jango Fett, the stormtroopers were made up both of clones and from natural humans.

I am sorry, I forgot to sign abouve. Anyway, I have finally got some info to support my complaint. As anyone may remember, the clone troopers were origionally all clones of Jango Fett. Fett was a Mandelorian, and if memory serves Mandelorians were force resistant. However, in A New Hope, Obi-wan uses a mind trick to convince a squad of stormtroopers to allow he and Luke to pass into Mos Eisley. If they were the same thing as clone troopers, they would be Mandelorian clones and, therefore, immune to the effects of the mind trick. -Mask 18:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree with the above. This should not be merged with Clone Troopers, since they're very different things. --Dws90 04:03, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


 * In the History Section of Storm Trooper it mentions then being descended from clone troopers so would it not make since to merge the two sections and have a redirect form clone trooper to storm trooper


 * The clone troopers eventually evolved into the stormtroopers, but they are not the same. The stormtrooper armor is different, and the people underneath were NOT clones.  Presumably they are enlistees and/or draftees.


 * do not merge - I also vote not to merge- Dr Haggis - Talk 18:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Do not merge, these are entirerly different articles.I vote NO! Mike 13:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I know the EU isn't canon, but Timothy Zahn's trilogy (especially The Last Command) seems to explicitly state that cloning technology was banned after the Clone Wars. (Most likely because Palpatine wanted to prevent anyone ever raising an army large enough to challenge him). In other books, the ones with Carida in them, it's explicitly shown that the Stormtroopers of that period are not clones (like Zeth Durron). Based upon that, do NOT merge, as they are completely different things.


 * Stormtroopers may be based on, and descended from the Army of the Republic's Clone Troopers, and some of the stormtroopers are in fact veteran clones from the Clone War. Only members of the 501st(eventually known as Vader's Fist), as far as I know, are the only confirmed clones after the unofficial Clone Rebellion, after which either non Jango clones were made, or natural borns were enlisted as stormtroopers, effectively ending the creation of any new stormtroopers who were clone troopers before(all of this information comes from the Star Wars: Battlefront II game, which as far as I know is supposed to be some level of canon). Especially considering the fact that the clone trooper term refers to the original "batch" of clones made from Jango Fett, and no other troops. They are not a subdivision, they are related, but that is te extent of it. Psychomutt 21:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I believe they should be merged as they are more or less the same thing. I think it would flow much smoother if it showed a transition from clone trooper to stormtrooper rather then an all out new article.


 * While they are different in many ways, there was never a time when there were both seperately. They are the same group/organization, just as Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are essentially the same person.  Just in different time periods. - SAMAS


 * Effectively two separate organizations, just like how the SS evolved from the SA or the Special Republican evolved from the Republican Guard. User: Tombombadil


 * The consensus, both here and on the Clone troopers talk page, seems to be to not merge, so I am removing the merge notification. – Mipadi 00:26, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Are stormtroopers clones?
An anonomous user posted this in the history section: "Since Lucas has stated that only the film have any effect on cinematic continuity, it is reasonable to assume that the Stormtroopers continue to be the Clones used during the Clone Wars, as there is no conclusive evidence that this is not the case. Hence, the only legitimate difference between Stormtroopers and Clone Troopers is the nature of the government they serve." I reverted this. There is evidence that the stormtroopers in the films aren't the same clones as in the Clone Wars. For one thing, all of the Clone Wars clones would have been too old by Episode 4, what with the growth acceleration and all. But more importantly, they can't all be clones of Jango Fett, since the movies show them as having different heights and voices. The article cites the fact that they didn't have Temuera Morrison yet but until we hear official word otherwise, we have to go by what the films depict. Also it says, "There is evidence, however, that while stormtroopers are descended from clone troopers as an organisation, and use similar equipment, that they are not clones themselves, though this is based upon the Expanded Universe." I don't think this is true. Some original trilogy EU stormtroopers were explicitly shown to be clones, likely clones of Fett. Anyways, the EU also matches the film implication that the clonetroopers were directly phased into being OT stormtroopers.LtNOWIS 22:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, all of the Clone Wars clones would have been too old, but that wouldn't prevent them from creating new clones. The clones could have a wide variety of ages.  Jango Fett would not need to be alive for the Republic/Empire to continue cloning him.  All they would need is some genetic material.  The fact that he is being cloned show that they already have the material.  In fact, I think they actually show clones of various ages in Episode 2.  For this reason, the clones could also have different heights.  Also, while they are made of the same genetic material, a clone could have a different height than another of his exact same age.  A lot of Star Wars takes place in space, and on different planets.  The amount of gravity experienced by a clone over the course of his life could make for large variations between the heights and builds of clones.  The voices thing could also be included in this.  I'm certain that my voice has changed with age.  A clone/stormtrooper stationed on a dusty planet could certainly have had his voice changed by the amount of dust ingested.  You should think of clones the same way you would think of identical twins because that is exactly what they are.  While they all share the same genetic material, they are definitely not literal copies of each other.  Environment can have a huge impact on physiology.  If you are only considering the movies as canon, I would say it's unreasonable to assume the stormtroopers are any different from the clone troopers.  It would appear to me that Lucas explicitly tried to portray them as one in the same.Sperril 04:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I too have been wondering about the clone trooper to stormtrooper transition for quite some time. I believe that (at least for a time) the stormtroopers were just renamed clone troopers. I just finished reading James Luceno's Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, which was very enlightening when it came to the Episode III to IV transition. In chapter thirty-five, it goes over what is going on in the post Clone Wars galaxy, and it says, "In the Outer Rim, three new batches of stormtroopers were being grown." It also mentions the starting of Imperial academies drawing from flight schools across the galaxy. So the pilots wouldn't be clones altogether, but the ground troops would (at least for a time). When it first uses the term "stormtrooper" it was talking about Vader leading a squad of shock troopers from Coruscant when he goes out to discipline Ion team on Murkhana. They were commanded by Appo (spec ops officer that had led the 501st against the Temple). It doesn't specifically say that he and the rest of the cadre aren't clones, but since it doesn't say otherwise, one must assume. Elsewhere in the book, if the troopers aren't the ones that were previously engaged in battling the Separatists, and are garrisoned on-planet somewhere maintaining the peace as it were, they are referred to as stormtroopers.

As to the mentioning above in the Merge..? heading of the fact that Mandalorians can't be force-tricked, and that being transferred to the clones, when the clone troopers that were on Murkhana (not Vader's guys) were rounding up the Separatists and their mercenaries to leave the planet, Shryne and Starstone (two Jedi that survived Order 66) use force persuasion on a few troopers to get away.

All of this is relying on the accuracy of the EU. I believe that they did continue using clones up until a certain unspecified point when (as Psychomutt mentioned about the Trawn trilogy) the Emperor halted cloning. When it comes down to people being picky about armor differences, just look at the two stages of clone trooper armor (eps II and III) and stormtrooper armor. It gradually transitions into it. And about the height issue. That is a little confusing, but I can't help but think of Leia asking Luke if he's a bit short for a stormtrooper. Don't burn me for blasphemy here, but maybe the movies aren't perfect in the whole different heights and voices thing. Sorry if all of this is a smidge long-winded and sporadicSkope 04:36, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I think we should remember that Han Solo was a Stormtrooper once also.. is he then a clone?? and what about the officers in the imperial army and navy they must also have been clones then.. mmhh so Veers and Han Solo are clone brothers then.. no sorry i dont buy that, considering the sheer number of planets the empire can get people from to their forces. they dont need clones. --Sneaking Viper 05:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * When was he a stormtrooper? I thought he was in the Imperial Navy. – Mipadi 13:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Viper's completely misinformed. See my comment over on Talk:Boba Fett. --maru  (talk)  contribs 23:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I stand corrected, he was not a Stormtrooper, but General Veers was (Leader of the ATAT attack on Hoth) does that make him a clone then? he dont really look like Jango Fett. --Sneaking Viper 04:06, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

The guys wearing black uniforms w/hats are stormtroopers out of armour,they don't look the same. My belief is that the Storm Trooper corps are made up of clones,officer school students,conscripts,and enlisted men. dudtz


 * first off, the "guys wearing black uniforms w/hats" aren't storm troopers, those would be imperial navy officers most likely, that would be like(and no offence to the marine corp) having marines staff an aircraft carrier, its not that they couldn't do it, but that its outside of their training and they wouldn't do it as well. 2ndly you don't have to be part of the stormtrooper corps to be an officer in the army(veers i believe) or navy(almost everyone else), the stormtroopers are attached to the navy but not a part of it, similar to the relationship of the american marine corp and the american navy. you could spend your entire life as a marine but you wouldn't become a naval officer, same goes for stormtroopers. 3rd point, i was always under the impression that the stormtroopers were not clones, and that because of the clonewars, that cloning was banned, to make it very difficult to raise an army large enough to become a real threat to the empire, i had these notion in my head before i read zahn's work mind you, and i had always thought that was the general concensus over the mater. 4th point, hieght and age problem, first off the clones were all raised on kamino and later coriscant right? that coupled with the fact that it is highly unlikely that clones would be put into battle until they reached a certain level of maturity. so there for the whole differing gravities and being in space for great lengths of time, not to mention the fact that starships are shown to have synthetic gravity, both during the clone wars and the galactic civil war, is not a valid point. 5th point, (yeha well you guys gave me a lot to talk about) the whole identical twin not being perfectly alike thing is good but flawed, since it is just jango's genetic make up alone, and that nothing is being left to chance, and no possiblity for unintended variation really occurs it seems improvable that the clones would have different hieghts naturally

opps forgot to sign--Manwithbrisk 18:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Logic would dictate that stormtroopers would be made up as a mixed congregation of clones and actual enlistees - do you seriously believe the Empire would shoot such a major hole in their economy as to rely solely on clones and not allow millions to join their ranks and generate income? The concept that they're all clones is utterly proposterous - if the best the galaxy had to offer, the Kaminoans, could barely pump out enough to meet the needs of the Clone Wars, its absurd to think that amateurs on Coruscant (if that can even be considered official) are capable of staffing an entire military.  Furthermore, it is stated that Royal Guards make up the best of the Stormtroopers - however Imperial Royal Guards predate the clones by a rather large margin, how do you account for this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.111.222.234 (talk) 09:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC).


 * it's not possible for the Imperial Royal Guard to predate the clone trooper, as the Empire did not rise until after the clone wars. the blue armored senate guard does predate the clone wars, and after palp took wartime powers they changed the armor to red and the senate guard began to more and more resemble the royal guard that we know so well, but i have a hunch that no guard or trooper from ep:I-III come even close to the royal guard of the orginal 3. --Manwithbrisk 00:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is false. The red Royal Guard took their initial uniforms at the very beginning of Episode II.  In the scene where Palpatine discusses the attack on Padme to the Jedi Masters, you can observe two Royal Guards standing at the door.  They are seen again at the end of Episode II watching the Clone Troopers leaving.  (User: Ezedriel)

Yes, Stormtroopers are clones. George Lucas says they're clones and all this EU nonsense means nothing. 66.167.145.218 04:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

did you talk to him yourself there? because that statement makes you sound like Supershadow, In any case sorry to burst your bubble but Lucas specificly stated in an MTV interview, "The idea is that over time, there were new clone strains introduced, and then they even conscripted guys to be Storm Troopers. So it's not just purely clones: It started out as clones, but then it got diluted over the years as they found out they could shanghai guys [more cheaply] than they could build clones." look it up "Mommy Where do Stormtroopers come from?"

Change firearms
The writer mentions the E-11 as the main weapon. However, it is sure that in the Expanded Universe, they were armed with a variety of weps, not just the E-11. For instance, the game Jedi Outcast has a stormie saying to another that an unnamed (but presumably much-used) blaster carbine is more accurate due to lower recoil, kickback, etc. The carbine was also extensively mentioned in the Rogue Squadron series. The Star Wars site also mentions that stormtroopers often carry detonation charges, thermal detonators, etc. However, the current firearms section only covers the E-11. It should be edited.

The E-11 seems to be their most common weapon, it is their "Main" weapon but not one they use Exclusively, and not just in the Expanded Universe do they use various other weapons, in A New Hope they use at least 3 different types of Blasters from the E-11 to 2 different types of Blaster Rifles, the DLT/DTL 17 and the big'ol T-21. the T-21 used by one of the Sandtroopers and the DLT 17 used by sandtroopers and some of the Stormtroopers aboard the Death Star as they searched the Falcon, also Chewie uses one as well on the Death Star.

Are the Imperial storm troopers clones?
or real people?

Pece Kocovski 06:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It depends on the source. If you only go by the movies, they are almost certainly clones.  If you go by the expanded universe, (games, novels, comic books, etc.,) there is plenty of disagreement.Sperril 04:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

CLONES ARE REAL PEOPLE TOO!!!

see above( why don't people read before they write)--Manwithbrisk 18:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If one were to go by the movies...the logical conclusion is that after the Empire establishes itself, cloning falls largely out of favor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.111.222.234 (talk) 08:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC).


 * What the heck do you mean are they clones or real people? People are people, period. Identical twins or triplets are clones of each other, but each one's obviously his or her individual. They just share the same genes. Besides, if you read Timothy Zahn's novel Allegiance, you'll see that the stormtroopers are composed of both clones and volunteers. -Doncroft 20:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Timothy Zahn has no authority over anything. And the poster above you fails to state why that is a "logical conclusion" and how it's supported in the films. 66.167.145.218 04:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * But his novel is canon. I like what Battlefront II said: after the uprising on Kamino of clone troopers, stormtroopers stopped being clones. So, by the time of IV, V, and VI there was a mix of Jango Fett clones and recruits. Plus, I think Lucas himself said that. Anakinjmt 20:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The Logical conclusion is an easy one to arrive at. If one only were to watch the Original Trilogy films, no where would you have any instance of the StormTroopers being clones. The entire nature of the Imperial military is to remove individuality to form better cohesion and strength for the Empire. Given this, as well as the brutal tactics of Imperials, many defected, or became spies. The EU fiction relies on this rather heavily.

The rather plausible explanation is that the Imperial Army began to overhaul itself in the 18 or so year gap between ep.3-ep.4. The Imperials began a massive wave of terror across the galaxy in that time period. It's easily conceivable that in that time gap the Clone Armies were slowly depleted through the (violent) military occupation of thousands, if not millions, of worlds. Throw in artificial aging, and you have a plausible reason there are few, to none Clone Troopers left in the Galaxy. The final Coup'De Grace is Palpatine's own paranoia, in which he ends up banning and destroying the majority of cloning vats and technology required for the process so that his domination of the universe will remain unchallenged. Then he just hides some of the remaining vats away in secret vaults as a contingency plan. Palpatine probably feared something like the rebellion gaining the Clone Vats, The Grand Moffs or even Vader attempting to Dethrone him. As the Clone Trooper numbers began to deplete themselves, as apart of his galactic propaganda campaign the Imperials begin to encourage membership in the Imperial Navy and Storm Trooper legions among the local (and occupied) populace of various worlds. It maintains likely overall more cost effective army, and has the benefit of subdueing the local populations that would otherwise be displaced and independent from the Empire with the existance of a Clone Army. Instead of large bodies of individuals free to rebel, you have entire populaces that are co-opted to serve Empire, and indoctirnated with it's ideology.RoboChocobo 18:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Problem with this section:

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Shadow Stormtroopers Shadow Stormtroopers, more commonly called Shadowtroopers, were created in the early days of the Empire. They were first introduced in the game Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy. In Star Wars Jedi Knight II Jedi Outcast, Shadowtroopers were the first Stormtrooper-Sith, and participated in the attack on the Jedi Academy on Yavin 4.

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It completely fails to give any infomation on what Shadow troopers are. Are they named shadow troopers because they enjoy Sonic the hedghog? there all black guys?

Height differences?

 * In the original trilogy, some troopers appear to have height differences (as noted by Princess Leia's "a little short for a stormtrooper" comment to Luke Skywalker in Episode IV).

This doesn't make sense. If we assume that stormtroopers do have uniform height, then Leia's comment is logical. It's a sarcastic statement of the obvious, like many of her lines in IV: She's remarking that Luke's height clearly betrays him as a fake. I don't understand your interpretation of her line: If stormtroopers did have height differences, then why would she notice (or comment about) his height in the first place?


 * It's possible that stormtroopers are normally large individuals (like, say, US Marines), and Luke is not. – Mipadi 05:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


 * also you might note that earlier luke and han walk through the death star relatively unnoticed, if hieght was that big a deal they would have been picked off sooner, on top of that the pair go and talk to an officer face to faceplate and he only thinks that something is up when they start talking to him about a prisoner tranfer that he didn't know anything about. so yeha maybe luke was short considering most other stormtroopers but i don't think that her comment infers that all stormtroopers are the same height--Manwithbrisk 19:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Eh, Lea was just making an offhand remark to what she thought was her captors when the disguised Luke walked into her cel. I really doubt a captured Princess Lea would really be making a analytical remark about the exact height of a stormtrooper, other than a short stack like Luke is obviously below the usual height seen in a trooper. Shadowrun 04:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Leia probably only met stormtroopers that were taller than the average adult but not neccesarily of uniform height. So when Luke was dressed in a storm trooper uniform, he was only of average height and shorter than the average stormtrooper. Her remark doesn't prove that all stormtroopers are the same height. Azn Clayjar 14:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The stormtroopers' species
It says in the article that they are Mandalorian clones, but as said above, stormtroopers can't be the same as clone troopers, or at least not all of them. Plus, doesn't it say in the article that stormtroopers are also recruits from other planets? Wouldn't that make them of multiple origins, not only Mandalorian clones? May the Edit be with you. T - borg   (drop me a line)  17:23, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

well since being mandalorian isn't a racial thing, its more like an affiliation it shouldn't have been mentioned at all and secondly there is far too much dispute over where the stormtroopers come from exactly for them to be listed as anything other than human--Manwithbrisk 17:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

It was stated that all clone troopers were turned into stormtroopers. However, not all stormtroopers are cloned from Jango Fett. The best minds in the galaxy were chosen as clone templates. 71.76.205.168 19:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Trooper Origin
I am not completely sure where I heard this, but I understand that stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett, clones from other gene templates, and conscripts and recruits from the various Imperial worlds (the best of which are used as new templates). I would like to verify this information before any editing is done.

Wrong. See above.

the battlefront referances
i am of the opinion that all these game references are unprofessional, and it adds a great deal of non-canon info to a page that is already listed as being far too long and confusing. they appear to be more fitting for the respective battlefront game pages than this page.--Manwithbrisk 00:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Perhaps their should be a "Stormtroopers in the EU" section. It's made quite clear in the films that they're clones and there's a quote in the article where Lucas says "They were always meant to be clones." So making it seem like it's up for debate is wrong. 66.167.145.218 04:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Battlefronts is licensed cannon just as Nights of the Old Republic. --Ian 00:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

George Lucas's Inspiration
Perhaps someone should write about the simularities between the Imperial Storm Troopers and that of the German Stormtroopers during World Wars I & 2.
 * Why? There's already an entire article about the origin of the stormtrooper in real-world history. Shadowrun 05:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Oy Vandals
Who wrote about pussys and penises —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tailsfan2 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Battle Fronts II
Hey Battlefronts II explains the connection between the clones and the later imperial troopers. The Jango Fetts series was discontinued after Kamino rebelled and than was crushed by the 501st Legion. The Empire then used a combo of new genetic lines.--Ian 00:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's unknown though exactly how canon the Battlefront games are, as there are story :

differences in the games. Anakinjmt 20:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Battlefront II is generally regarded as canon, as are most parts of Battlefront I, according

to wookiepedia anyway.
 * Sure --Corinthian (talk) 03:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

References?
Can more references be added to the article? Specifically, I was wondering where the idea that Stormtroopers full NBC /kinetic impact protection comes from.

Stormtroopers aren't clones
They're simply hired mercenaries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.40.32.149 (talk) 11:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Source for that? --clpo13(talk) 07:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Inability to hit a Barn Door
Amidst all reams and reams of fandom crap, there is not one reference to the most notable feature of Storm troopers: namely their inability to hit anything with their lasers. --Corinthian 03:21, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you miss the bit in the "Use in popular culture" section regarding the "Stormtrooper effect"? There's an entire article on that. --clpo13(talk) 07:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Zahn clone reference
Hey, I'm not here to debate whether or not stormtroopers are clones, since I know as well as anyone that that is the ultimate excercise in futility, but I do think something needs to be cleared up.

Now feel free to correct me (with facts/references/quotes) if I'm wrong, but I believe this article is incorrect when it says that Timothy Zahn proposed in his trilogy that all stormtroopers were clones. I haven't read the books in a few years, but to the best of my memory, only Thrawn's stormtroopers (and perhaps very few historically) were Spaarti clones. I seem to remember Luke mentioning that he felt a difference in the Force related to the Spaarti clones, which was explained when he realized they were all clones, which was a shock to him.

Personally I think that is evidence enough that most stormtroopers during the Galactic Civil War weren't clones, but I think it at least indicates that Zahn was never proposing that ALL stormies during the Galactic Civil War were clones, and, in fact, quite the opposite. TK-134 (talk) 05:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale for Image:Dark Trooper Battlefront.jpg
Image:Dark Trooper Battlefront.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 21:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)