Talk:Stove/Archive 1

Rewrite
In my rewrite, I have removed the list of stove manufacturers. It was woefully incomplete and&mdash;with the exception of the AGA link&mdash;hopelessly U.S.-centric. Since I don't believe that listing each and every stove producer in the world makes sense, and don't approve of highly commercial extlinks in Wikipedia, I have just dropped it.

The article now needs images: one of a contemporary stove (a typical model, not some high-end gizmo like the AGA), and of course one or two images of historical stoves. Also missing are more informative extlinks.

Somebody knows the precise years of the first glass-ceramic and induction cooktops?

Lupo 13:32, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Senegal
I've added an image that I think is perfect for this article, but we need more information on modern stove manufacture in Africa. For now the only place for it is in with ancient techniques of Western stovemaking.... -Harmil 21:32, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Electric
Can somebody date (& include) the first all-electric stove, by Thomas Ahearn [sp?]? Trekphiler 07:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Split
It seems to me that this page should be split into two articles: one each for kitchen stoves (with redirs from "cooker", "cooktop", "cooking range", etc.) and for stove (heating), and the Stove page itself should become a disambiguation page pointing to these two articles. Lupo 08:16, 13 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that the page is not as clear as it might be at the moment, but I think that your suggested split might not help. Specifically, are not some stoves designed to fulfil both purposes? (I'm thinking of the likes of Agas that are supposed to warm the farmhouse, as well as be cooked on)? This is just off the top of my head, so if a stove expert turns around and says "No such device exists" then I'm happy to give way! Jamse 10:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I know that there are a such combined stoves. My personal experience is, though, that these are a minority. They could be handled with a paragraph or two in the "kitchen stove" article and a simple sentence pointing to that paragraph in the other article. Of course, in ancient times, the two functions were combined, as the article on the kitchen explains. In any case the current organization is messy. The Franklin stove mentioned was a "heating-only" stove, and so are most pellet or corn-fuelled stoves, as far as I know. Corn stoves in particular seem to be a niche product, and I wonder in what way they differ from pellet stoves. Is there some difference in the technical design, or does one just use corn cob cores instead of pellets as the fuel? Furthermore, venting a stove through an outside wall is illegal where I live: building regulations require all chimneys or other vents for hot air to go through the roof, above the eaves. Lupo 15:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * And to complicate matters even more, there are furnaces and central heatings... Lupo 15:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

i have a question
can someone tell me why so many gas stoves have that strange system with the nob that means you have to hold it down and turn it to light it and then nine times out of ten when you let go it shuts off again....and you have to repeat this process until one time for some unknown reason the flame stays alight...is this normal or am i doing something wrong? i would be interested to hear if i'm not the only one with this perplexing problem. Trottsky 16:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It normally ignites on the first try. Got some clogged pipes or valves? The gimmick about having to keep the knob pushed in is a safety mechanism: it avoids opening the gas valve when someone accidentally brushes against the knob. The way I light a gas stove/cooktop is to push the knob and turn it to the appropriate lighting/ignition position. Then light the gas, wait a few seconds, then turn the knob to the desired setting and release it. If the setting I want is a low one, I usually very briefly turn it to a high setting and then immediately back to the desired low setting. Works for me... (but I use a gas stove maybe once every other year) :-) Lupo 16:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Definition of Range
There's a debate going on in my office right now. I always understood a (kitchen) stove to be an oven plus a cooktop. The point in question is the definition of a range. The article (and I) agree that range a synonym for cooktop. My co-worker says that a range is a synonym for the whole stove. She says that official interior design sources indicate the second definition is correct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.217.96.162 (talk) 17:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC).


 * I think of a stove as being a cooktop with or without a an oven, so i guess im way off then. Trottsky 16:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I too have a question
Does anyone have any idea what sort of temperature electric stoves (not induction or infra-red types, the traditional metal plate type) reach? I've googled a bit but with no success... Theonecynic 11:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Towards a split; looking to repurpose this and cook stove
This article and the cook stove one cover overlapping areas. The cook stove article at the moment takes the tack of discussing general improvements in cooking apparatus in developing nations, which is a valid area of coverage I suppose but doesn't really make sense under the current heading. This one keeps talking about stoves as non-cooking devices, which is an archaic usage as far as I know and is being given undue weight (we could probably just redirect people to furnace or whatever for most uses). I reckon we should readdress exactly what each article covers. This one would probably be better served as a WP:SUMMARY-style article covering all cooking apparatus of the type. Chris Cunningham 11:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I came to the same conclusion about this even before I read Chris's comment. Mayhaps we propose a merger? - Jeremy (Jerem43 20:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC))

Proposed move

 * I'd prefer this to not be done until the culinary stove information has been removed and merged into Stove (Culinary) along with the Cooker and cook stove information, perhaps a better name is Stove (Industrial) as well so that a proper disambiguation page could be made.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 07:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't see anything specifically industrial in page Stove as it stands now. Anthony Appleyard 12:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Proposed split
The discussion for for this proposed split can be found on the cooker discussion page.


 * The Cook Stove article was renamed Biomass Cooking Stove and because of that change I made some changes to this article and to Cooker (mainly in summaries highlighting why there is a distinction that justifies two separate articles or at least compromises with the info in this article and is less American centric in the use of stove as shorthand for kitchen stove vs cooker). I also added more justification at the above discussion section on cooker. I hope they seem acceptable. Awotter (talk) 04:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Interesting article evolution
Comparing this old revision with the current one, I wonder where all the information on the history has gone. Some of it has survived, but where's the rest? Lupo 09:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed this seems to have devolved into someone's trainwreck-of-thought about Western woodstoves. Even the wording has changed to the point of now saying that the French invented the enclosed firebox, as the treatment of Northeast Asian stoves has been deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.12.133.19 (talk) 07:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Added merge tags--98.98.220.102 (talk) 18:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't a merge to wood-burning stove be more appropriate? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

African American tribes
What can possibly be meant by the term 'African American tribes'? Does it refer to African tribes (indicating confused thinking of the sort epitomised by the famous reference by an American reporter to Nelson Mandela being 'South Africa's first African-American President') or native American tribes? Or what?Erwfaethlon (talk) 20:39, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Rocket stove
There is a wikipage called Rocket stove and that should get a mention here, I don't have time to do it at the moment, but mention it as it seems quite innovative and sought-after by modern greenies, it's apparently clean and efficient and costs almost nothing at all to build. It's page probably needs a cleanup too. Penyulap (talk) 22:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Stovepipe
Te article stovepipe is a mere word-definition. Stovepipe and its butterfly valve is explained nowhere. --Helium4 (talk) 08:20, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

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Gas stoves making indoor air up to five times dirtier than outdoor air, add?
Gas stoves:

X1\ (talk) 06:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Emily Holden, Gas stoves making indoor air up to five times dirtier than outdoor air, report finds; Gas cookers making people sick and exposing tens of millions to air pollution levels that would be illegal if they were outside theguardian.com 5 May 2020

If primarily a "cooking device", then illustrations should reflect it, not give primacy to decorative heating stoves
If the definition is primarily "stove = cooking device", then house-heating stoves shouldn't be exclusively and prominently illustrated. There wasn't a single cooking stove illustrated here! Either the definition, or the selection of images must be changed. It seems to me that one or several editors, who have a passion for decorative historical high-end house-heating stoves, have given far too much space to their favourite topic. We need to have a balance between text and illustrations. Arminden (talk) 22:21, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

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 * Primitive man making tools and using fire at the Museum of Vietnamese History.JPG